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Unlocking
the Code of Effective Systems Change
Sponsored by
The Community Living Exchange Collaborative at ILRU
and
The Technical Assistance Partnership Operating the
National State-to-State Technical Assistance Program for Community
Living
Unlocking the Code of Effective Systems
Change
January 11 – 13, 2005
NOTES
Opening Session: January 11, 2005
Welcome: Darrell Jones
It has been an ILRU dream to assemble a group of bright minds in
one spot to talk about the topic of effective systems change. It’s
something that deserves a real block of time and some real considerate
attention.
ILRU staff nominated participants and the final selection was based
on the desire to assemble folks that are thoughtful and sensitive
workers and thinkers—people who would add substantially to
this conversation. Budget limitations did not allow for everyone
nominated to be selected.
Following introductions, facilitators will explain the process,
how the topics have been framed and structured, and how this meeting
fits in with the national dialogue ILRU is having with a number
of folks.
Welcome: Richard Petty
Those of you who know ILRU’s history and that of our key partners
in the first round of the Real Choice Systems Change project will
know about our continuing interest in service quality and service
effectiveness, flexibility and consumer direction and won’t
be surprised of our interest in this topic. … You’re
here because you’ve been part of programs that have demonstrated
interest and commitment to creating lasting change and effective
programs that really do hold the promise of making a dramatic difference
in your states.
We believe that you are some of the cutting edge thinkers of community-based
services. We believe that now is the time to pause to take a thorough
look at what is distinguishing programs that have been truly effective
as opposed to those who have just used the rhetoric.
We’ve certainly seen many programs that have been effective
at policy and at the operational/technical aspects of their work—and
that’s laudable. But, there are some programs that have gone
even further. We are beginning to see that some programs have distinguished
themselves for looking at quality, flexibility and consumer direction
as part of a good business model. It’s the right thing to
do; but, it’s also a good model that ensures overall effectiveness
and cost effectiveness of programs.
We are also beginning to see programs that began with clear vision
and a clear set of values that were truly effective in involving
consumers in the leadership of the projects. Also, we’re seeing
programs that are effective at working across organizational boundaries
and disciplines. These are areas where some programs are establishing
themselves as truly different.
At the same time, we began to see these practices supported in business
literature. We also began to see other people in the field focusing
on these principles—people like Michael Kendrick, who is working
in them internationally.
The papers Michael developed for this colloquium—and the colloquium
itself—are interim steps in a process where we hope to be
able to drill down and look thoroughly at what’s really effective
in creating quality community services. By the end, we hope you
will have affirmed some of the things in the papers, rejected others
and looked well beyond them at new and different ideas that may
take us even further.
The papers are a starting point. As we work through this, no doubt
we will go much further in many areas. If you, like me, are high
on the compulsivity scale, be assured we’ve seen the process
we’ll participate in this week work well in other settings.
As next steps, we intend for there to be other iterations of these
papers, and we intend to work with others to refine and drill down
as to what really is effective in other states.
Welcome: Lex Frieden
Sometimes I get the feeling that I’m going in circles; personally,
and when I’m working with states. We keep running into the
same roadblocks with personal assistance needs. I don’t think
that has to continue.
ILRU and The Community Living Exchange have tried to find a spiral
pathway to the objectives we have in mind. We can’t deal in
a world that doesn’t exist. There are certain realities. One
of them is the fact of disability and people needing help. The second
one is the economy. We can’t get away from them; but in-between
there’s a lot of space. We need to get in that space.
Policy is not intractable—it can change. You only have to
look back a couple of years at some of the things that have occurred
in CMS. You don’t have to look back very far to see some dramatic
changes. That agency and the networked state agencies are ready
for more changes. That’s why we’re here.
We want to share with a wider network of people (more than those
of us in this room). Through this colloquium we hope to have more
papers and more ideas to share. But, this exercise won’t be
the end of it. If, this week, we can contribute something to moving
away from a dead-end circle and toward a spiral, then I think we’ve
achieved a lot.
Overview: Michael Kendrick
The origins of this event go back to discussions about what works/what
doesn’t. It may surprise people, but we don’t really
know what works. We’re making this up as we go along. Until
the last part of the 20th century, society had not experienced a
reliance on technocratic service systems. We are in a novel and
historical social experiment which nobody really planned.
Any assumption there’s a formula we’re working from
would be misguided. People have found they have to think it through
themselves. The way we’ve moved ahead in the past is by looking
at our problems through the filter of our values. The thinking process
isn’t over. But, baby boomers are starting to get tired. There
are formidable challenges for the next generation.
We do make progress. It is a spiral. Nothing in nature yields without
a cost. So, if you want to make headway, you’ve got to invest
in the thought process—invest in trying to think our way forward
and then identify if there are further investments that need to
be made. (I think of investments as things that are worth something.)
We may find that these few days are seminal—that they pull
together some threads that needed pulling together. This meeting
might be like other occasions we can think of that didn’t
appear to be promising at first, but turned out to be important.
With a good faith effort, this may be one of those moments.
You are very experienced and seasoned people. We will make a difference.
Do we have a right or are we guaranteed to make a difference? We
don’t know that. But, if you do the right thing, you’ll
probably come out right at the end.
The papers were developed as a stimulus/catalyst. A lot of people
don’t want a clean slate to fill in. The papers are a way
to get into the issues. They’re intended as a starting point,
but certainly not something to stay with. We’d be disappointed
if, at the end, we’re still circling around the papers.
We anticipate more papers—some kind of paper that documents
what was discussed here to give others a flavor of what we went
through. As part of this process we’ll ask for ideas and suggestions
for activities/initiatives that may follow these discussions. We
will consider them developmental investments—if we were to
do those, it may be a help. We’re interested in knowing what
they are; even if we can’t follow through on all of them,
perhaps we can tackle some. Also, we will keep in mind that while
ILRU is providing leadership, there may be follow-up that’s
in your hands or others who aren’t here. We’re part
of a bigger network.
We weren’t sure what papers to write. The ones we’re
working with this week are those that survived an informal process.
We didn’t have much of a debate. We thought it made since
to start with examples people are familiar with and get some guidance
about conclusions from their own experience.
We don’t anticipate they will survive very long, so don’t
feel bound by papers. They are a reference point. We are trying
to tap into your insights. The papers are a way to stimulate us.
One caution … the rhetoric of our field suggests we’re
clearer than we really are. We have concepts that we don’t
know what they mean, but we’re pleased by them. So we repeat
them ad nauseam. We’re actually profoundly confused and faking
it. We’re a bit of a fraud on some level, and that is unnerving;
which is why rhetoric is so attractive.
Practical people need more than rhetoric. They need to be persuaded.
So, we’re going to open up a Pandora’s Box by opening
up questions that may be unclear and possible divisive. But, that’s
often what gets us into new ideas.
In many ways it would be good to leave matters alone. On the other
hand, we want to make progress. This isn’t new. In matters
of leadership there is uncertainty. We face a certain amount of
uncertainties, but we’re just going to have to move past them
to get some consensus that gives us a way to move forward.
Group 1 – Effective Community Programs- Kaye’s
Notes
Activity #1: Review Kendrick’s components of quality
service
Discussion: Introduction
After introductions, the group agreed to the facilitators’
suggestion to use the Kendrick paper as a springboard for discussion.
The first comments were directed toward Kendrick’s definition
of quality in the opening paragraphs of the paper. Several raised
concerns about the statement: “… the term quality is
equated with the finest of human achievements, and so a synonym
for it would be excellence.”
Comments included:
. Quality is defined by the user. It’s in the mind of the
beholder.
. We need to be careful about defining what we think other people
should want.
. Some participants had concerns about the statement: “These
global themes are that the service should: (second bullet) Support
the individual to be as much a part of the community as possible.”
Comments included:
…as possible” should be replaced with “as they
wish to be.
. The term “community” has become part of the rhetoric,
but it’s dangerous to assume everyone uses the same definition
of it. Is a group home part of the community? (Note: There was some
discussion/disagreement around this question, with a small number
of participants suggesting that group homes and other communal living
arrangements can be part of the community.)
Discussion: Key Components of a Good Community Service
Following the discussion about the intro to the paper, the group
turned to Kendrick’s key components of good community service.
By way of process, the group agreed to proceed through the list
to determine agreement/disagreement or to add or clarify language.
There was agreement to avoid “wordsmithing.”
1. The service is embedded in and governed by the community.
A few in the group agreed with this statement. Others objected to
the words “governed by,” stating that some communities
have standards and may govern services with goals that are not acceptable.
There need to be some standards across the state and across the
country. As one participant put it, “I look at services in
one way and community infrastructure in one way. Services are individual—ccommunities
are universal. I want communities to govern the universality. I
don’t think they should be governing human services.”
2. The service values the people it serves.
There was no objection to the statement, but a couple in the group
said they don’t really know what it means.
3. The service supports the social inclusion of its users.
The group didn’t disagree with the statement, but some members
felt it doesn’t go far enough in addressing underlying issues
such as:
. The service systems we’ve created really interfere with
natural supports.
. There’s a more important comment to make … people
are still segregated even though they are in the community. They’re
still lonely as hell. They’re still not part of the neighborhood.
4. The service is and can be personalized.
General agreement. No discussion.
5. The service seeks to understand the individuals and what they
actually want and need.
General agreement to combine this statement with #6. One participant
commented that the situation is “paradoxical.” We need
to have elements of uniformity as well as elements of personalization.
The CMS representative stated that the paper does a great job of
emphasizing the needs of individuals. However, it does not speak
to the need for an equitable distribution of resources when there
are people with competing needs (balancing individual needs with
needs of the community).
6. The service supports self-direction/consumer-managed options.
Summary of comments:
. In the adult service system, we expect people to make informed
choices after they’ve had 12 years of Special Ed where informed
choice is not the norm.
. Need to distinguish between consumer-managed organizations and
consumer-directed services. Add some language that distinguishes
between people and organizations.
7. The service provides what meets crucial and fundamental needs
well.
There was neither strong support for nor disagreement with this
statement or the explanatory paragraph in the paper. Generally,
participants were unsure what it means.
8. The service uses methods that are consistent with what best suits
the person and her needs.
Consensus that this could be combined with #4 and #5 as the concepts
are the same.
9. The service uses theory and models that are demonstrably effective.
Summary of comments:
. I like it but it doesn’t go far enough—it’s
not just about service. Take, for example, the impact of segregation
on somebody. It may be about the environmental issues somebody experiences.
. It seems to confine you more to what’s already been researched.
. At the same time there needs to be innovation, experimentation,
inquiry and research.
. The quality evaluation and accountability are not there.
10. The service is in the “right relationship” with
those it supports.
Summary of comments:
. I don’t know what it means in practice. I don’t understand
the conceptual idea of the “right relationship.”
. I think different people define it (right relationship) differently—treating
people in an ethical, respectful manner. I dislike term because
it’s from a religious tradition that all people don’t
understand.
General consensus that #10 can be combined with #2.
11. The service supports its service users in acquiring valued social
roles and positive social images.
There was general agreement with the concept; but disussion subjective
qualities of words such as “valued” and “positive
social images.” Who’s deciding what’s valued?
By whom? Does society value the same things a consumer does?
12. The service has the routine capacity to be responsive, flexible
and changeable.
There was strong agreement with this as a component of good community
service. The notion of “routine capacity” is especially
important.
13. The service helps people grow and develop.
There was general agreement with this component which, some said,
is similar to #4 and #5.
One participant felt that the paper overlooks an important area
of learning, skill development and even knowing what’s out
there (the consumer). Another suggested that this component needs
to be tied back to personalization of services based on need. Another
suggested that there’s also a need to recognize when a consumer
is not going to grow or develop in a particular area and to adjust
expectations accordingly.
14. The service appropriately uses and blends formal supports with
informal (natural) supports.
There was general agreement with this component.
15. The service selects and nurtures the right people in service
roles.
Some participants had a problem with the term “right people
in service roles.” Who are the “right” people?
How does this component relate to the previous one about natural
supports? Some suggested that there should be discussion about values
in any discussion about what’s “right.” One person
noted there seems to be a lack of emphasis on training and assessing
people’s capacities.
16. The service is well led by people-centered leaders.
One participant questioned whether this actually belongs on the
list (it’s a means to an end as opposed to a component of
quality). Others felt it belonged as a component. One group member
suggested adding “mission” and “vision-driven”
to the characteristics of people-centered leaders.
17. The service shields service users from invasive and unhelpful
bureaucracy.
The group didn’t disagree with the concept, but several members
felt it could be stated more positively. Suggestions included changing
the word “shields” to something less paternal and finding
a less offensive word than “toxicity” in the narrative.
18. The service supports people with personalized safeguards.
There was some sense that the bulk of the narrative hid the most
important concepts of this component. There was agreement that the
most important sentence in the narrative is: “Intentional
and personalized safeguards can be crafted and put into place that
address only those matters that are important to the person.”
19. The service is well administered. There was general agreement
with the notion that administration should be seen as a support
function. There was also agreement with one participant’s
observation that “someone can administer very well some very
bad services that are completely unresponsive.” The quality
of administration doesn’t matter if the services are bad.
20. The service is cost beneficial. There was general agreement
with a couple of members stating there is probably a need for more
work around defining what cost benefit is in a human services context
(related to the amount of services people want versus what they
get, if we hurt people by “throwing too much service at them,”
the cost of providing services to a growing aging population).
Activity #2: Identify active ingredients of positive change
Group 1 devoted the afternoon of the first day in a brainstorming
session focused on what are the ingredients of positive change.
The following is a list of ingredients that emerged in the discussion.
Active ingredients of positive change include:
· having a governance structures that enhances mission and
vision (engages consumers and families, etc.)
· the ability to engage partners to leverage additional resources
(and speaks to vision and mission)
· understanding limitations
· quality, accountability and evaluation
· integration, coordination and collaboration (engaging partners—services
don’t exist in a vacuum)
· creativity—the ability to leverage “non-traditional”
resources
· an appropriate balance of flexibility and standardization
· a distinction between services that are intended to fade
away and more permanent supports
· the actual existence of services (in some areas)
· the ability to exit from strategies for which there are
newer/better ideas
· the recognition/acceptance that service providers also
serve as advocates (and, ideally, are not concerned with maintaining
business)
· focusing on workforce development –specifically recruiting
and training people to provide leadership and/or support services
· taking into account technologies that can help
· fostering natural relationships that occur in the community
· recognizing the useful role of “key informants”
(family, friends and others)
· making good use of data…but isn’t trapped by
it (and uses it to get rid of bad models!!)
· having a strong outreach component
· training
· rewards/incentives
· enforcement
· accountability
· shared history, vision and direction
· ability to change based on evidence that things aren’t
working
· systems thinking
· team learning
· mastery
· shared vision
· money/resources
· consumers routinely involved in a meaningful way from the
beginning
· consumers knowing what choice are important (and supporting
them in making them)
· providers being free from conflict of interest
· willing leadership
· buy-in from stakeholders throughout the processes
· recognizing there will be unintended consequences and having
a system flexible enough to deal with them
· truthful communication
· collaboration
· transparency
· investing in the people who are providing support (workforce
development)
On Day 2, as they reviewed the list of active ingredients from
the first day, a participant asked the group to consider whether
ADAPT’s minimum standards for a national attendant services
program (see next page) have any relevance to the active ingredients
list.
The ADAPT principles earning the most discussion were:
· eligibility based on functional need,
· co-pay and cost sharing for people with higher incomes,
and
· the ability to delegate health-related to unlicensed personal
attendants.
There was quite a bit of discussion about whether these principles
were either an active ingredient or measure of quality. The general
consensus was to add something to Kendrick’s paper to the
effect of “personal assistance services should be available
or supported.” Someone suggested adding it as a distinct component.
Then, there seemed to be agreement to incorporate personal attendant
services to Kendrick’s original #7 component.
Activity #3: Identify obstacles to positive change
Group 1 devoted part of the second day talking about obstacles
and opportunities. The following list features highlights of the
discussion. (NOTE: Unlike the ingredients list, participants did
not have a chance to review/comment on this list.)
Barriers to positive systems change:
· There isn’t enough money, what we do have is not
flexible, and distribution is a problem.
· Systemic inertia—old habits die hard and people benefit
from the status quo.
· There is a shortage in direct care workers and the system
is reluctant to acknowledge the value of support professionals.
· Lack of public awareness about the new service model. Families
resist change (still think nursing homes are the answer) and cling
to stereotypes passed down from one generation to the next.
· Lack of system planning/preparedness to respond to families
urgent needs.
· Lack of awareness for the need to plan for life transitions
(aging, accidents, etc.)
· Methods, models and tools are outdated and policies/procedures
are adapted from old models.
· Service provision devalues individuals (the lack of a customer
service philosophy—service recipients aren’t treated
or valued like customers)
· The prevalence of a custodial care mindset, including the
perception that people are frail and helpless. (“We’ll
take care OF you” mentality.)
· Lack of sharing across agencies.
· Complicated waiver processes (getting waivers approved
in the first place).
· Silos within given states (all disability agencies) and
in the advocacy community.
· Crisis in leadership. Absence of vision. No sense of adventure.
Risk avoidance.
· Having to make people eligible for nursing home care before
they’re eligible for community-based services. (The service
model is not a preventative model—it’s crisis oriented,
reactive.) The institutional model is the criterion on which everything
else is based.
· Inadequate accessible, affordable, quality, integrated
housing.
· Inadequate transportation (lack of coordinated transportation
systems).
· Restrictive legislation regarding nurse practices, certificate
of needs, agency of choice.
· Lack of an appropriate federal rule pertaining to a standard
functional definition of what an institutional eligibility is.
· Building community infrastructures is not in the Medicaid
vernacular, it’s not in the Medicaid state plan, and it’s
not considered a service. Medicaid doesn’t provide matching
funds for it.
· Lack of resources and experience in community development
(housing, transportation). These things have been difficult to enable
under the Medicaid system.
· Provider resistance to self-directed service models (and
providers are powerful lobbying groups).
· The higher education curriculum is hasn’t moved beyond
the ‘60’s. A whole generation is graduating with tools
from the past (for rehabilitation). Higher ed hasn’t been
included in the systems change.
· Guarantor/guardianship laws can take away choices (sometimes
it’s lack of information/education on parts of judicial system,
etc.).
· Families oppose closing state schools based on past promises
and lack of new information.
Activity #4: Identify opportunities, investments and activities
that would contribute to positive change
The group spent its last time together brainstorming opportunities,
investments and activities that would contribute to positive change.
After a while, several major opportunity areas emerged, and the
group was able to associate a list of proposed actions for each
of them. The following is the result of that process.
Leadership Development
· Develop a national leadership academy on quality home and
community-based services
· Recruit/develop people with disabilities as leaders (beyond
the DD community)
· Recruit/develop policymakers
Professional Development, Higher Education and Consumer Education
· Pre-service education and continuing education for folks
in the industry
· Training for people with disabilities
· Faculty development
· Create model courses
· Develop a small course on what AT is available and how
to access it and how it contributes to home and community-based
services
· Recommend to CMS & HRSA that they invest in personnel
preparation on consumer direction and quality through the Systems
Change grant process
Accreditation, Certification (of agencies and providers) and Quality
Improvement
· Influence accreditation and oversight bodies to include
quality from the consumer perspective
· Link quality assurance with quality improvement
· Make accreditation results available to the public
· Get states to establish a variety of rewards and sanctions
to encourage quality
· Get states to support quality improvement
Networking for Coordination and Cooperation
· Get CMS technical assistance providers to promote more
networking between states.
· Strengthen interactive components of the HCBS website as
well as elements of the site that promote innovation, news, etc.
· Encourage formation of cross-disability/cross life span
coalitions
Products and Materials Development (business models, text books,
etc.) and Dissemination
· Review existing products/materials
· Update curriculum
· Update text books
· Update and creating self-evaluation tools and techniques
· Create self-direction training materials
· Develop slick success story publications to tell the story
· Create fact sheets for legislators
· Promote good business models
Policy Opportunities and Influence
· Explore alternative funding and service delivery models
including the Older Americans Act
· Award planning grants
· Develop some mechanisms to help CMS incorporate consumer
involvement at all levels
· Promote a national agenda for long-term care (think tank)
· Educate state and federal legislators
· Use the fall national summit of the National Alliance for
Full Participation as an opportunity to stress quality and consumer
directed services
· Provide strategic assistance to states to implement CASSA
legislation (an individualized approach)
Research and Evaluation
· Immediate action: Solicit “big three: outcome data
from current grantees
· Establish rigorous research processes where we evaluate
a lot of the more innovative models to really show how they affect
quality as measured by consumers—an evaluation protocol (to
decide if we should really embrace them as a new paradigm to move
to)
Information and Technology
· support and encourage HHS to fund information and technology
(specifically, the creation of broad-based information portals)
· push information through technology
· using technology to reduce human assistance and enhance
quality community-based services
· creating HIPAA compliant methods to reduce repetitive information
for consumers
Activity #5: Make recommendations to advance positive change
Time ran out on this activity with only one firm recommendation
offered. Nonetheless, many of the group encourages ILRU/CMS to think
of many of the opportunities and investments as “recommendations
in the rough.”
Recommendation:
That CMS invest in personnel preparation on consumer direction
and quality through the Systems Change grant process.
Extra! CMS Update from Melissa Hulbert
Melissa Hulbert, director of CMS’ Division of Advocacy &
Special Initiatives, was unable to stay for the full second day
of the meeting. Before departing, though, she responded to the group’s
request for an update on CMS activities.
Referring to an earlier discussion about difficulties in getting
waivers approved, Melissa said she would like more information about
federal policies that are restrictive or cumbersome and encouraged
folks to contact her with specifics.
She went on to say that CMS is trying to finish the next grant
solicitation which is due out April 30. As part of the process,
the agency has been consulting with a variety of folks. The Systems
Change grants, Melissa said, have been getting “a lot of criticism”
from Capitol Hill and other federal partners. The feedback is that
while the fusion of money is nice, there’s nothing coming
from the grants that can be replicated nationally. She said there
is a general misunderstanding about what the grants are supposed
to do. She said CMS is going to take a look at the information that’s
being extracted from reports to see if it’s possible to help
members of Congress and others understand what the grants are supposed
to do.
Melissa added that CMS is also talking to folks about different
ways to structure the grant in light of criticism the agency has
received for giving too many grants for too little money. There
are some who advocate for giving fewer grants for bigger amounts
of money.
(I think this is talking about the solicitation) Melissa said CMS
is going to try to talk more about what infrastructure means and
focus on getting better information on the grants we have now.
She said CMS is also trying to overcome the challenge some states
have of getting support from legislators and the governor’s
office. “We are considering making it a requirement for the
governor’s office to consolidate all state grant requests.”
Comments/Questions/Recommendations:
. The three years is going by too fast (grant period). (Melissa
responded: We can make the grant period longer and intend to. Also,
there is the issue of sustainability —within your own state
and to get CMS support financially.)
. The essential ingredients (developed by the group the previous
day) may be things you want to put in the solicitation as outcomes.
You can be more prescriptive in a flexible way.
. If we were asked to quantify the three most significant outcomes
we could—but we haven’t been asked to do that. (Suggestion:
Grantees should be asked to go to Baltimore with three quantifiable
outcomes.)
. The HCBS website could be enhanced. It’s very passive.
It’s a lot of work. It is user-friend. It is searchable. But,
you’ve got to know what you want. It’s worth investing
in improving that information portal. Possibly add a discussion
board.
. Websites are fabulous for people that are there using them; but
nice pleasant, picturesque documents that highlight incredible achievements
are very effective. Another investment would be a publication summarizing
what these grants have meant to folks.
Melissa said grantees might see some changes as a result of some
of the pressures CMS is feeling. She added that CMS has $2.9 million
to do more direct service work and they’re thinking about
how to structure that. One of the issues we have is the resources
to manage all the grants and work. They’re looking at how
to leverage some of that money to get more information of the evaluation
of Ticket and DSW (??).
She said CMS is not going to do anymore solicitations for the DMI
demonstration.
In general, CMS is settling down. There’s a lot of talk about
Medicaid reform legislation.
CMS is looking for ways to bring grantee input to the solicitation.
Again she mentioned wanting input on the prospect of consolidating
the grant process in each state and other ways to ensure buy-in
at the state level.
One participant suggested looking for ways to make stronger linkages
between state Olmstead activities. “It would be great if you
could give out some grants that can collaborate with other Real
Choice grantees.”
Another suggested, “If you are going to outcomes, you need
to do specific outcomes. You want specific outcomes for different
areas like housing, etc.”
Group II: Character of Personal Empowerment- Leandre’s
Notes
Day 1- A.M. Session
· Programs should be in service to the community, not just
for people with impairments
· Where to begin discussion?
- Could say paper looks great, lots of good issues, but is that
the case?
Rich: Paper has tone that those who work in the systems have the
opportunity to empower people, and I disagree. System given to ppl
who are marginalized in some way or another. Systems actually disempower
people. People have power, the system doesn’t give it to them.
Systems cannot empower people, empowerment comes from people knowing
and believing their hopes, dreams and gifts. By knowing that and
acting on it and having support to act on it, that is where empowerment
comes from. Overall, I don’t believe that systems are empowering
but I believe systems can mitigate disempowerment.
Lex: Would you say that without systems some people might not realize
their empowerment?
Rich: Yes, we all need supports, but systems themselves cannot
empower b/c they cannot tell you what your hopes and dreams are;
only the person can do that. Systems and services were developed
after we had devalued and marginalized people, then we created systems,
to manage power and control, which is the opposite of empowerment.
We have to play by the rules to get what we want, the systems are
not about empowering, they are all about controlling. People are
empowered b/c somehow they have been encouraged to look at their
hopes and dreams and act upon them, not because of something the
system did.
Patty: I agree that the system will not empower people, but the
system can get out of the way to allow people to feel empowered.
Lex: When we promote empowerment, are we deemphasizing the system?
So the person can express themselves in spite of the system?
Rich: You cannot totally de-systemize the system, however. Why do
people end up on the outside anyway? That is important b/c it is
those people that get put in the systems. The systems are supposed
to rectify what we unconsciously did by marginalizing people. The
only way people are empowered is when they are valued as people,
not as part of systems. When people are marginal it is unconscious
(at least for the most part…it is no longer politically correct
to push people to the outskirts, we are now focused on including
people), but we still push them aside and fail to realize what they
offer. So if that is unconscious, but the creation of systems is
conscious, how do we get out of that circle?
Dawn: I agree, but I think it could be different. Problem is that
systems today do not begin with the voice of the consumer, it only
ends with it. I think we can change that and make the system more
about the voice of the consumer. If systems started with voice of
consumer and allowed consumer to define what the services for them,
and then allow it to end with the consumer determining whether the
system achieved its goals, that would be empowering.
Michelle/Patty: In business what is different is that the customer
has the money and therefore the power. In the system, the “customer”
is not the one with the money, so the power and freedom is lost.
Lex: If you look at social services as money transfer btwn tax
payers and beneficiary, then the question becomes what do the taxpayers
req the bene to do to get the benefits? Systems work to choke people.
· Empowerment, and the definition of it:
· Lex: Hard to accept the idea that systems cannot achieve
empowerment, schools can be used successfully to acquire skills
and move towards affecting goals and hopes and dreams.
· Patty: System can be a tool, but doesn’t mean that
a person exp empowerment. Any system doesn’t give you empowerment.
· Lex: People get empowerment different ways, some people
get it from a school certificate, other people get it from an evangelist
· Patty: So it is very personal as to what empowers different
people. How do we structure the tool? Need to determine who the
customer is.
· Rich: Focus is how we mitigate disempowerment, and allow
people to communicate with one another about their hopes and dreams.
· Lex: If we use tendency of people to want to be politically
correct, then at some point it will take hold and we will rid ourselves
of marginalization.
· Patrice: Business model--$$ is power. But if we look at
private sector, I have needs and wants and I can purchase what I
need and want b/c I have $$, in private sector there is so much
competition. We do not have incentives and competition in the social
service sector, and that is problematic.
· Beth: Example of creating system like C&C b/c state
could not afford to employ people, so let people take charge of
employment. Surveys showed that satisfaction went down and empowerment
went up. This forced people to struggle on their own…that
became empowerment. So empowerment may or may not be all that fabulous.
People were doing more on their own but there was also a sense of
desperation and alone-ness at the same time. Jumping off the cliff
is good, but need to make sure you don’t hit the bottom.
Richard: Instead of that being the dark side empowerment, could
it be your tool that was flawed?
Beth: Yes, and I actually think that what we did was abandon those
people, rather than empower them. SO what IS empowerment—need
definition? (LWJ) Trying to figure out what keeps going wrong. In
Idaho, some people are very “difficult” (nature of population),
so some people need to move to get services once they have exhausted
the local providers. How do you recognize someone with a disability
who does not fit in to the system.
Lex: Are we trying to create a system to empower some people who
do not want to be empowered?
Patrice: But that may be empowered…to be able to make the
choice to go through as many providers as I want.
Patty: In our general society what guidelines do we operate under
that assure the health and safety of any of us? There are certain
safeguards that exist that allow me to work my way through the system
Beth: Where is the line between the social contract of we will
not harm one another vs. letting someone live with their choices
Patrice: So we let people live as they want assuming their own risk.
I agree with Rich, but there are ways you can foster empowerment,
but given our federal req’s I don’t think it is comparable
Rich: The fundamental question is: would you be willing to live
the life of the person you (in your system) support? We create terms
and systems that try to describe tools/approaches that close the
gap between real life between you and me and the pretend life people
who get connect with systems have. We keep creating mechanisms to
make people’s lives look real.
Lex: Judge the system by whether you would like to live it?
Michelle: Some personal care asst. would say that they would love
that life b/c the people they serve “have everything they
need.”
Rich: We push people away and then we create systems to bring them
back, but an artificial system cannot create a REAL life. I view
my role to as much as possible, cause a “psychic rebirth”
of people of citizens to welcome people with disabilities back in
to the community.
Melissa: If we talk about marginalizing—it sounds like people
who aren’t marginalized are doing something to people to marginalize
them, but are you saying “psychic rebirthing” is one
way to do the work is not to focus on the marginalized but on the
people who are doing the marginalization? (yes) And, are there supports
that could be avail in a combo that enlighten support providers,
but also differ from traditional services in such a way that people
are helped.
Dawn: What exactly is empowerment? (need to define)
. What anyone decides it is—the experience can be something
different to each person
. Only way to know is to ask if people feel empowered?
. Control, having it. People differ between how much control they
want
. How about influence and the ability to use influence to have things
around you to be the way you need or want them to be
. Individual empowerment—does that require influence?
. Influence or control over some situation, but either way you need
choice, right?
. If school is a system and there is only one way through, they
may sense empowerment once they completed it, there was no choice,
yet still a positive result
. I do not see control as an advantage, more “management”
as important. Managing things works better than controlling things.
I do not let the system control me; I try to manage it.
. Theme: choice?
. Is the absence of choice what results in disempowerment? Is it
not gov’t’s function not to make people feel empowered,
but rather to let people make choices?
. Choice is tool of empowerment, but empowerment is a belief field
by the individual, b/c two awful choices do not result in empowerment
. Environment provides us with options, and then we choose, but
we forget that sometimes the choice is no choice at all.
. Prefer not to think about “choice” and “empowerment”
rather, positive, life affirming
. If we cannot agree on what we are talking about we will not be
able to determine the barriers, b/c we won’t have common ground
. Are we caught on bundling together a service someone needs and
desired with concept of assisting someone to become empowered based
on a model that we have not created yet? Do they need to be bundled?
. We often adopt words based on looking back, so that they describe
what is NOT. You make your path by walking. All the words are things
that we know better by what they are not. We will never understand
the word empowerment—it will just have deeper and deeper shades
of meaning. We have adopted words that are symbols of real life.
. Empowerment is a word for us, not for the user. The user just
wants their life
. In a sense it may be arrogant to talk about empowering when really
the systems are in place that do not offer the quality of life that
people would be satisfied with.
. If you choose something traditional, you will never be told you
are empowered—you will just be labeled difficult.
. People still need the tools and options to decide what they do
want, regardless of what that is
. One option is to provide people with the tools to “empower”
them to make the choices in their life that they want…. eliminating
the barrier of not giving people the tools. We can define that putting
up barriers is bad. Whether giving them the tools actually empowers
them is another issue. Idea: shift more to consultant basis. Need
enough flexibility to have a) here are the options you decide and
b) I do not want to do anything, you do it.
. Tools: $$, choice
. Most disempowering is lack of information
· Should we give people that information?
· Gov’t doesn’t give it b/c of who the people
are who are receiving the systems. Especially problematic in rural
areas. In OK, breaking the system down and giving it back to the
consumer. Often times the consumer knows more than the gov’t.
That can work, as long as the people (gov’t) who don’t
know things know that they don’t know it. Often they pretend
to want to give you the world, but when you need something you often
cannot get it…in rural areas, it often comes down to $$
· Has information been a tool for empowerment?
· If there are tools to use, I will use it. Information is
very necessary.
· What if we break the system down and the system just becomes
the bank and the services just stay outside of it. Then the person
who needs the services and get the money from the bank and then
go buy what they need indepent of the system?
. All people may need services, but only people that can afford
to provide them outside of the network can afford to get the services
they want.
. In the idea of the system as a bank then can purchase from private
or public, problem results when people burn out the system and there
are no providers left, but another problem is what services can
you actually get authorized? Especially if you are poor, your choices
appear to change. In a capitalistic society, if you look like you
can pay, you may find yourself in a worse place due to fundamental
business pressures.
. What policy would you put into place in to implement the banking
system in a way that works like a bank?
. After lunch – explore bank model and explore whether it
works towards empowerment.
· Need to ID purpose of social service system?
. Means to an end, or the end
P.M. Session I
Key questions to consider for afternoon session…
· What themes most engaged the group?
. Paper or discussion?
· What issues were not well developed in the paper but were
well developed in the discussion?
· Suggestions that may have occurred to us for future follow-up
activities?
Additional points added to morning conversation:
· Concept of hopes, dreams and gifts… This is not about
medical care, even though it is Medicaid. It is about people’s
lives, not about reimbursement, forms, etc. More medical SW’s
will not solve the problem, it is about the lives of the individuals
and their families, friends, etc. (links)
· In what ways do we unconsciously marginalize people?
Paper:
Rich: Nothing particularly offensive, but also not earth shaking.
So, the big question comes up, how do we actually DO this? The words
make sense, the question is what do we do with them. Whatever empowerment
is, and however we promote it is the tricky part. We have used “conscious”/”unconscious”
a lot in the conversation and I think one of the big keys is consciousness
and how to promote that in people. The is how we “peel the
onion” of change.
RP: Seeking clarification—if we cannot empower have we failed
to frame the discussion properly in the paper where we talk about
6 levels of empowerment? Instead might we have done better to talk
about 6 levels of self-direction for services that people receive
as opposed to empowerment?
Rich: The problem is that what we are talking about is not linear—so
you cannot write a paper linearly. Systems linearity comes up short
b/c we are talking about people’s lives. The paper makes sense
if you are sitting in a system, but it ignores all the other forces
that area acting on it.
Rich: The “levels” in the paper are too “system”
focused.
Patrice: How many of us have we received the services we are talking
about? We are doing exactly what we say we shouldn’t be.
Charles: We are doing what the system wants you to do?
Rich: I don’t feel bad about having the conversation, however,
but we have to recognize the limitations.
Rich: How can a system which is set up to take control of people’s
lives without asking those people…how can that same system
“empower” people?
Dawn: We could be on a see-saw, you and I. I am more optimistic,
I think it is the obligation to remove the barriers and be more
“empowering.” I think the system should begin and end
with the voice of the consumer. Consumers should be asked what do
you need, and then develop the services, instead of the reverse.
Patty: I do not disagree, but want to reframe. Ultimately what
we are about is that communities need to meet the needs, and the
system needs to help people leverage the communities resources.
System does not need to meet the needs, the community is where we
should be looking. Really that is what people are looking for?
Dawn: people are being set up to fail if we tell people that the
system will be meeting their needs.
Patty: We ask “what does a person need?” but we rarely
ask in a really serious way, “what does this community/group/workplace”
need in order to support that? That is why the sphere of action
for me is goes beyond the linear system.
Beth: Need to contextualize the problem, the system can be the linkage
not the answer and I like the community responding to the need,
but I also think we need to remember that some people are actually
comfortable with what they have and are utilizing it well. If this
is a life that meets their hopes and dreams, etc. than we need to
listen to that and learn from those people as well.
RP: Is there a distinction between different groups of people who
receive services? I hear from people with physical disabilities,
their interest in direction their services extends to being involved
to the point that they get the services that they need and want
and how they want them and they get enough. And their interest in
linking or being linked is low.
Patty: I meant link as “where are the resources in the community
that can be mobilized” as opposed to a “here is a service
in a box.” Instead of choice meaning we need more “boxes”,
we need more… (?)
Rich: The system can help promote by not ratcheting down service
definition….that would be death.
Patty: With definitions that are only as clear as the purpose we
get tons of flexibility and allow people to leverage supports.
Melissa: **Need to think about this conversation in terms of our
federal partners. Because in order to give you $$, the Feds want
to “count” what services you are providing, without
service definitions, that is hard.. The Feds need to hear that flexibility
is key. State experience needs to bubble up so Fed policies can
adopt state needs versus the other way around.
Beth: Ethics codes have changed from prescriptive to aspiration-al.
Every case needs to be weighed and judged to see if it works for
the individual. It is more complicated—for creative people
it can be freeing, for more compulsive types, it is hard not to
be able to check a box. Creates problems for supervision, etc. It
creates a problem, which can be fixed, but we have to be aware of
what more flexibility will do. Shift from Rx to aspirational…look
at what you want to achieve, so when you look at potential ethics
violation, you can determine whether it is a violation b based on
what the goals are versus what the rules are. Now “this is
the way we think the world should operate…” take that
into consideration.
Patty: That could be really useful for achieving “empowerment.”
Beth: Gives more “wiggle room”, but also asks for more
accountability
RP: This would be an interesting conversation to have in terms
of risk management.
Patrice: Door is narrowing for creativity within CMS.
Dawn: (constructed a drawing on flipchart). Each layer has its own
set of responsibilities—
If we came up with a list of things that each level cannot do, would
we get some clarity? Concern re: block granting of Medicaid. If
we feel block granting would restrict empowerment we need to say
that.
. If we think things are bad now, at least consider that it is “visible,”
block granting will eliminate that.
. Also related to combining different populations—advocacy
efforts around different populations will then be weakened, which
may lead to less than positive outcomes.
. Left likes it because it deals with choices, etc. Right likes
it because it deals with personal responsibility.
Melissa: Returning to Dawn’s drawing…
.State and federal systems are bigger pots of money that can provide
to the upper levels…
.What are we forgetting?
. Where does advocacy fit in?
. Federal and state want continuity and predictability
Dawn: Maybe we should try to change the way we think about empowerment
to be from the bottom of the drawing up….Feds empower state
who empower communities who empower the people…that would
get the decision making closer to the person. The way it works now,
the feds are making the decisions for the little person who is so
far away on the top of the drawing. Maybe that is why school systems
work a little better b/c the decisions are closer to the people
they serve? Block grants:
o With block grants would we have a higher possibility of going
to the minimum req’d services rather than the maximum
o We need to look at the policies we think are enlightened very
carefully and ask what we will think of it in 200 years (look at
what we now think of the idea of Indian reservations). We miss the
unintentional consequences so easily
· How do we get over seeing people as different to welcoming
everyone into the community?
Rich: The best safety that exists is people that are caring, and
trying to help—even if we disagree with each other, we are
a force for integrity and commitment and doing the best we can.
There is nothing we have talked about that isn’t worth working
on, because we don’t know what the future will bring; it will
all come to good.
Dawn: If block granting is conceptually good, but could also have
very dire consequences for humans, we need to talk about what the
challenges are. It will work well in some states but horribly in
others.
Patty: How do we leverage and how do we create models that are
really empowering?
Dawn: Is it possible for block grants to be good if there are prescriptive
functions in place they could work?
Patty: individualized approaches are so cost prohibitive, we have
to find ways to do it that aren’t so costly and staff heavy
in order to make it work
Group II- Consumer Empowerment
Jan. 12- Weds a.m. session- Leandre’s Notes
RP: 2 different domains of empowerment?
. Little “e”: More with how grantees do their work
. The services are not empowerment, but they are a vehicle towards
it
. Very important for leadership of programs
. Big “E”: supporting people as they make all kinds
of decisions about their lives
. Explain this. Hopes from process: help grantees know better how
to involve consumers
Beth: Stories about grants would be a good way to explain this.
Offer to coordinate.
Patty: People struggle with what does this mean to me so the stories
would be helpful
Dawn: Would like to see development of indicators of what empowerment
looks like. This would be particularly useful for CMS. Indicators
could drive an RFP process. “These are the kind of things
that lead to empowerment in other
programs…and should be used to provide grants to new states”
RP: Intriguing that grants say “include consumers”
but that is squishy
Melissa: Potential approach:
. 14 different ideas in paper—walk through each
. Add in element of each section as “indicator” what
are the pros and cons
. Add and subtract from list
. Particularly from service provider perspective
Beth: we need to decide if it is a WHOLE list and decide what is
missing
Patty: then we could do a preference matrix and see where the priorities
are
Melissa: lets look at each, talk about key components, decide if
they do or do not belong. In small groups, based on expertise, talk
about how we flush it out, add to list
Patty: All the items see secondary to expanding access to support—they
are how a system functions once choice already exists
o.Set empowerment as a goal and priority
. Change to “share empowerment as a goal and priority”
. Direct paper to all elements: indiv, family, community, community
systems, state, federal?
RP: But then aren’t we being prescriptive about what families
should do?
Beth: Empowerment as a goal and priority and that we function in
that way and would look something like this
Patrice: We can look at each level, except for the individual and
the family—we can give them the tools, but we cannot control
what they do
· Process decision—break into groups, each take 4
points, discuss from all perspectives, with an interest in not being
prescriptive.
o What are the questions?
RP: Federal, state and community systems are either broken or are
in jeopardy of being broken, if what we are trying to do is state.
Systems that allow indiv and families to play a different role in
those systems, my expectation is that if the 3 systems work as they
should, in fact, there is not a lot to be changed by the indiv and
family other than their involvement. I am having a hard time prescribing
what families have to do other than to show up and be present.
Beth: Hardest job is helping people reach out for what they want
b/c they have been bashed down so long that they just do not reach
out any more.
Patty: Biggest change as people take control is what happens with
in the family
Dawn: For #1 : maybe something like “to have the opportunity
to make a difference in your life.”
RP: Goal is to provide guidance for systems change grantees in
places where systems are broken
FINAL
· Purpose: Foster those things in the systems that make empowerment
possible for people
· Task: ID those things that promote “e” and
those that are barriers to “e”.
·
Group 3 – this was a sub-breakout group. More detail
about all groups is provided below.
#10 & 11Barriers: form rarely follows function, but it should.
Form follows function at the individual and family level. Ex: business
offices that are moving towards individual budgeting see how much
info consumers need, but if we try to fit the system around the
need, it doesn’t work. People using the $$ differently so
we crate addendums to plans---we need personnel and role descriptions
that are different than in the tradition system (agency policies).
· State—broader definitions that allow for custom design
of roles, responsibilities and schedules and payment.
. Def. of quality management—satisfaction of the individual
and its network OR “what they want, need and expect.”
Authentic participation of consumer (how do we define authenticity).
Quality systems that begin and end with the consumer.
. Add a new piece to the paper: Management of programs-increasing
the power of consumers/community/service recipients boards in the
direction of services
. Requires significant orientation of the consumers and allow for
authentic participation, valuing participation from everyone
. Indep review process at state level that looks at how authentic
the consumer involvement is
· Federal—expectations that the data will reflect degree
to which people were able to self-direct.
. Looking at data that determined whether it would be individually
designed as opposed to how to the person spent the $$. Look at cost
benefit around an individual.
· Community—information for informed choice.
#12 & 13: “Make efforts” is the most any one can
do. Create a culture that supports risk taking.
* Medicaid office --- identify process of mediation or conflict
resolution. Provide a mechanism that allows for risk taking. Identify
the true picture of accountability for agencies – provide
information. Examples of where it has been done-Sabatino document
· Define what manipulation is and what the ramifications
of attempting it are.
· Indicator—id or create a clear and objective/transparent
process for assessing risk and accountability. Have a process of
mitigation….know what to do to fix it.
#13 User friendly comprehensive information—not necessarily
derived form the system. “In addition to…” A person
should not have to pay to learn how to do this. Allow for peer partnerships.
Policy: In aspiring to these principles if we really to commit to
figuring out what the alternative is, we need to commit the resources
to finding an alternative
#14 Support the way we work cooperatively together - would an RFP
promote this?
Jan. 12- Weds p.m. session- Leandre’s notes
Melissa: Grantees always looking for application ideas—things
that are tangible. Next steps: move towards additional creativity.
Want to mix detail with the theories that may have been missed in
the paper.
Michael K:
For this afternoon—
1) Obstacles and investments
2) Changes from yesterday
3) Suggestions for future actions
RP: What we can’t do is have the creativity of this group
after we leave, so whatever we can do to focus on the key sentinel
points is perhaps the best investment.
Paper #1-4
· Barrier: not knowing how to document the complex system
that is consumer development. Federal gov has to tell Congress how
they spent the $$, but that is not easily placed into check boxes.
It is difficult to document complex systems in a uniform way.
· Barrier: There is a dearth of consumer involvement in research.
Suggest that consumers be the impetus (drivers) of policy research
and evaluation. Consumer dominated operations are necessary. Instead
of having “expert” develop and consumer “bless”
the research, have it start with the consumer.
. Investment: Policy and research initiatives should be driven by
the consumer (co0nsumer s involved in the design from the start)
· Investment: Bottom line should be consumer outcomes, not
fiscal, not other things.
· I: corporate culture of customer satisfaction (provider
and end-user are 2 different customers)
· I: Reimbursement systems that allow for sustainability
· I: Federal role: set minimal expectations related to empowerment
– more flexibility to states w/ a federal safety nest Support
corporate culture of customer satisfaction
· Barrier: basic health, safety, welfare and risk issues
· I: Identify a transparent and objective process—perhaps
consumer review process to present risk assurances from being a
barrier.
· I: Consider new mechanisms to share risk that aren’t
based on finances
· B: continued liability
· Barrier: state should have reimbursement rates that allow
for sustainable systems
· I: End funding to ICF-MR’s
· I: Consolidate service definitions = life support activities
(removes admin category restriction s and increase flexibility).
· Investment: Create policies and procedures to reduce opportunities
for adverse errors
. Acknowledging the value of community members to assume some responsibility
for check and balances
. Analyze the causes of errors or risks and implement system improvements
that reduce them (ex: airline industry) Create a culture of safety.
Paper 5-9
· Barrier: Lack of consumer empowerment requirements that
apply to the federal level.
. Must be a decision making body
. Perhaps at least 51%
. Removing “advisory”
· Investment: employ consumer consultants (relates to consumer
voice, involvement)
. Include honorarium, travel reimbursements, etc.
· I: Increased accountability (add teeth!) for programs that
are supposed to espouse empowerment
· I: Policy loop that includes the end-user (consumer)
· I: Staff competencies of “e” principles
· B: Discrimination
· I: More people with disabilities in the competitive workforce
· I: continued external advocacy to support problem solving
(future: how?) available at all levels of the system (person, community,
state, federal). Empowerment charters.
· B: Fear of repercussions for speaking up to advocate for
consumers (for families, community service providers, state workers,
etc.)
· I: Promote mechanisms to support learning cultures and
ways to see that that is done
Paper 10-14
· Investment: work to create useful information, such as
options, strategies for navigating systems, orienting to boards.
Equalization of knowledge
. Barrier = non-user friendly information
· Investment: Indep bodies to create and review information
that free of interest conflicts
· Investment: Allow for broader definitions to allow form
to follow function…gov’t regulations that are flexible
and not dependant on a pre-set menu
Summary:
· Develop measurement tools that reflect the empowerment
paradigm
· Funding system should match hopes and dreams and goals.
Resource allocation should be made on a deficiency measure of what
is wrong with you.
o.Should Medicaid then be open to anyone who wants to have hopes
and dreams and goals fulfilled?
. No, still have eligibility based on need but more focused on hopes,
dreams and needs
Day 1 Group II Consumer Empowerment- Marisa’s notes
Lex began our discussion by talking about the impact of systems
and their empowerment. That by acting out who you are with or without
support, systems can or cannot empower people. Rich Crocker did
not agree, they felt that the systems could dis-empower people or
impede on their lives more so than they can empower.
Patty Cotton- agrees that personal empowerment ensues that the
system needs to be able to step aside and allow the individual,
to de-systemize at that level.
Rich Crocker- Marginalization- the people who are marginalized
are the ones who end up getting the help. People are unconsciously
marginalized.
Disability Paradigm- the only way to transcend this is to discuss
with the person what their hopes and dreams are. If systems become
facilitators and the citizens do the empowering with each other.
Competition within the private sector can also drive that empowerment.
Leads to direction change in conversation regarding privatized model.
Consumer satisfaction went down, empowerment went up. Forcing people
to struggle on their own, in a way invokes empowerment- two sides
to the system-perhaps sometimes driven through a sense of desperation.
Return again to issue of empowerment and also its use as a measurement
tool. The So-called “dark side” of empowerment (abandonment).
Money and resources – common occurrence is the disempowerment
of the staff and system by the consumer or individual they are trying
to help. Encouraging consumers to act on their own behalf can lead
to disempowerment on the other side- the systemic level.
Issue of working around a disability and the characterization-
in terms of brain injuries- because others cannot tell that the
person is disabled. Because he/she does or may not receive Medicaid-
they are constantly. With privatization there is nobody required
to serve that person. Issue of if someone is difficult- no one is
willing to work with them.
Taxpayers setting requirement for benefits those recipients receive?
Closing the gap that beneficiaries are subject to eligibility has
a profound effect on their ability to experience the simple things
in life that we take for granted. We keep creating mechanisms (systems)
where they evolve to what the individual needs, on a day to day
basis. Way to measure the system on how you would be subject?
Rich Crocker views his role in as many diff ways to support people
better. Empowerment lies within the community. Marginalize
Uniform definition of empowerment-(rhetorical question)-
Sometimes there are no choices- use of the word choices when appropriate
whereas on many occasions there really are no choices. “Positive
Participation”- Life affirming direction- we must find a common
ground- meaningful.
Richard points out- are we caught bundling together a service that
someone needs with the whole concept of empowerment? And do those
necessarily need to be bundled together. As we adopt these words
for tools of the future, defining what it’s not, we adopt
words that signal what something is not in a way. It doesn’t
mean we’ve figured out what they mean. These words change
or evolve in meaning over the course of time. It is quite common
for people to not understand the word empowerment- we may never
understand it.
Rich Crocker- when we bring in these symbols from a systems change
point of view- what you know about or of empowerment is by experience
only. The paradox is that systems want to place rationality to these
terms; in the use of words that people use in their daily lives,
they demand meaning to the term empowerment. Then it only becomes
useful to come up with words that designate what empowerment is
not, thereby defining it in a more general sense? Or does the use
of symbolism and words to determine what empowerment is not- only
give rise to more questions of what it is or cause even more confusion.
To define something by describing what it is NOT.
Patty Cotton- what is the range of tools or options that these
people need to identify in order to get what they need in their
lives. A dynamic that has occurred in the last 50 or 60 years, when
you look at the pace of change, it has significantly grown faster.
We are very appreciative for what HAS improved in many ways or even
in a small way, we are grateful for some improvement.
Ingredients for what demonstrates change in the right direction
rather than define empowerment. Set aside empowerment for a second.
Patty Cotton- it’s important that those in service providing
consult to the consumer believe in what they are doing. They need
to eliminate the barrier of NOT giving people the tools they need.
Providing tools is a good thing whether or not they empower the
individual. Shift to more of a consultant behavior
Access to information- consultant should uphold the interests of
the individual. And be at least knowledgeable of the info that is
available for that person. How to access the information is a constant
issue of concern both at the consumer level and systemic for those
who need to provide the info or need to be familiar with it.
Not being able to describe for consumers what they are paying for
and an idea of how much it will cost, and over what amount of time
the goal can be reached by. Holding the govt accountable for these
issues is unclear why we do not. Example that Lex used would be
individuals applying for Medicaid who don’t know why they
are applying for it and it is not clear to them what forms or supplements
they will receive.
Gov should indicate more clearly what it is that you are receiving
in terms of benefits and what taxpayers are paying for.
Break down the system- system becomes the bank with svcs remaining
outside the system- so that people who are eligible (social svc
systems) can access $ and get what they need in terms of paying
for svcs they need. Aging people face a challenge of being able
to access the same services. Where do care systems of providers
merge in those cases?
Ex: Idaho- (non-profit/for-profit) has a type of syst similar to
the one described by Lex. Where does $$ come from? Govt/Insurance?
** This does not equalize the treatment of people- leaves out factor
of poverty (since it is not an issue of disability).
Rich Crocker- Nixon sponsored negative income tax (earned income
credit). Feels that if you go to the banking model it should be
similar type of system. Social service syst balance the free community
discrepancy.
2nd session- summarizations/points we came to
Opening review remarks and questions/points we came to before lunch:
· Can the “system” empower people?
· Or does the system jest get out of the way so people can
empower themselves?
· Unconscious marginalization- idea of this is about people’s
lives not just healthcare (Beth Stamm)
· What is empowerment?
1. It is entirely personal
2. it IS power
3. it is influence
4. it is control
5. it is choice
6. it is not barriers
· If we had a choice we be having this conversation? Decision
vs choice
· Can we/should we separate funding from “the bank”
from service provision to increase empowerment?
· It’s about a whole life, hopes, dreams, gifts and
their links (family, friends,etc)
Rich Crocker- from his point of view, the components of empowerment
are not well defined (in the paper nor by us)
If we can empower have we failed to frame the discussion in the
paper as far as levels of empowerment or self-direction? If you
remove empowerment from the equation what is left is at the level
of control over what they are getting.
“Linear” description of systems to aid- non-linear
issue- Rich argues that decisions on life are non-linear issues?
Why is change promoted—is it change in people’s lives?
Personal care systems that failed- why these systems of personal
care, examining their failures to see where and why they failed
to meet consumer needs in order to develop a better system.
Day 2- Group II Consumer Empowerment- Marisa’s Notes
Richard- First question- Are we dealing with two entirely diff domains
of empowerment in our discussions and maybe we haven’t all
understood or come to the same understanding of that? By that I
mean that there is empowerment in the big sense and then in the
small sense. In the context of real choice grants it might have
more to do with how grantees do their work, in a way that fosters
involvement of people and choices
Dawn- The biggie has to do with supporting people as they make
all kinds of decisions about their lives, I thought we should bring
that to the table and explore it a little bit. Maybe there is a
3rd piece but we won’t go there right now.
One of the things we were hoping for is to help grantees in the
initiative know how to better involve consumers in the process of
receiving svcs and directing in the process of receiving svcs in
all others.
Patty- it’s about different domains, in the realm of what
can be done. We need to be clear about the term empowerment, in
other words not a vehicle for people to.
Richard- in some level it comes to leadership of programs
Beth-back to prescriptives-
Patty- it is great in the way to conceptualize what it means and
providing a theme; it’s hard to provide a conceptual model
that’s not individual examples.
Beth- I think stories are a good way to provide to legislators
or implementers that way they’re not just “dreamer-uppers”.
· Theme idea- using the big “e” or the little
“e” in the paper
Dawn- I think it would be a great idea to develop indicators that
might be the RFP process in terms of being able to be more definitive.
Kind of give CMS indicators so as funding for a grant goes through
they might be clear about the parameters that are established. So
if they can agree on indicators that would drive the RFP process.
Based on this, these are common themes in all projects so they become
common indicators.
Patty- you might be able to get down those dramatic areas,
Throwing the language out there, throwing buzzwords in a proposal.
Melissa- potential approach- in the paper itself there are 14 diff.
ideas about ways that people could be empowered through those services.
If we wanted to we might want to try and add an element, or some
way that we would frame this issue, how might these ideas shake
out as indicators, maybe take some off or add some to the list.
Spend our day figuring out are there additional pieces.
Patty- it would be interesting to take the diagram (from yesterday)
and put those indicators on it to show how they are all interrelated.
Melissa- We had some good points yesterday- if we’re talking
about indicators maybe we start with one category- from a community
perspective, or state’s perspective, there are levels of differentiation
that we could focus on.
Beth- we need to decide if it’s a whole list, we need to
think about what’s missing if anything.
Patty- we could do that and prioritization – ex. Where the
group is most interested in areas, etc.
Melissa- if we go thru the list in a general way, for the purpose
of eliminating any that aren’t clear or need to come off and
then break into small groups and hash out what needs to be added,
etc. So there’s 14 indicators on p.7, go thru and make sure
that nobody has a question of what the key component is and if anyone
has any question about it or if they don’t feel it belongs.
Patty- there seems to be a glaring lack of anything related to
that ability to access and expand options and resources for support.
It just seems that to way to add until after might mean we spend
a lot of time on something that’s less important.
Lex- I don’t feel we should wait until the end of our session
to add.
Dawn- Should policy makers be the ones drawing the line, the implementation,
they finally figured out there is not enough direction, there is
a presumption that all people can be empowered, not necessarily
self-direct. Statement- That ALL people can be empowered.
Patty- on an individual basis there is that assumption that all
people can self direct. There’s a lot folks that don’
want to worry about those decisions. It’s not just about the
person but it’s about the family, etc. of that person- we
have to coach that and come to an understanding around WHO the person
is.
Dawn- when you get to the “fear for safety” thing especially
for mothers, I think society tends to see it more often as a disability
error,
Patty- It’s very much a family culture issue- whereas it could
mean a generational issue of one person making decisions, etc. I
don’t think that’s a systems role at all.
Following the issues starting on p.7- for discussion
Beth- change it to share empowerment instead of set empowerment.
Change the language a bit so that it reads more as a collaborative.
Patrice- setting goals for each one would be better.
Beth- if we go that route the paper is directed toward everyone.
Leandre- it might be a more inclusive paper to broaden the scope.
Richard- if we’re including family also, there might be a
little bit of anxiety there, and what they should do.
Dawn/Patrice- empowerment as a goal should be at the federal level.
Patty- it would be like informed decisions and level of control.
Beth- in terms of aspirational vs. prescriptive you could do empowerment
and how it would function that way.
Patty- it could be very purposeful; in order to make it not prescriptive
but to include what an agency or state could be doing in terms of
outreach in relation to that.
Patrice- we can look at it, pushing it up from the bottom up, we
can provide those tools or foster the environment where that happens.
Patty- it would be around very comprehensive user info, in terms
of not just being about the type of info that people have so they
can.
(Later broke into 3 groups & divided up indicators –
see below)
Richard – the federal, state and community systems are in
jeopardy of being broken and if we’re trying to allow family
involvement- I’m having trouble prescribing what families
have to do in this whole equation, if they want to have a role,
then have a role. Within the context of supporting the individual
and families,
Beth- we often work with people and try to help them reach out
for what they want.
Richard- so what we’re thinking about is a list of what their
potential role may be. Beth- the people who are the most labor intensive
are those that tried so often that they have no hope left and are
afraid to reach for those dreams again. The ability to reach out
for something and not be smacked back down.
Patty- to me probably the biggest change occurs with the individual
and the family in terms of self-control, there is a tremendous weight,
whereas the perspective of what needs to be available in the individual
and the family is not clear.
Dawn- providing the opportunity means there are options that the
person can engage in. The issue is do they have the opportunity
to be part of the process? Do they even have the opportunity to
have a voice?
Beth- it’s the person has a choice to be what they want to
be.
Richard- Where I’m most comfortable is talking about in terms
of availability of options- being able to talk about options for
involvement. For those of us at ILRU, we are trying to have aim
to grantees is to try to offer guidance on exactly what’s
wrong. The distance between what could be and what actually is.
I want to share that but I also don’t want to push the group
because I am having anxiety.
Lex- can’t we reconcile by saying that our job is to identify
the dynamics that foster or create the foundation for empowerment.
In other words we want to examine the system to get rid of the disempowering
aspects and promote the empowering aspects. We want to foster the
conditions in the system that promote empowerment.
Statement of purpose: Foster those things in systems that make
empowerment possible for people. It could be a checklist of states-
· Task: Identify those things that promote the little “e”
and are barriers to “e”.
· Discuss in terms of- Individual potential & options
& Family, then Community/Community systems, then State/ Federal
Group 1 (1-4)
Process- Took the task and looked for things that promoted empowerment
and were barriers to it, and then looked at 1-4 and came up with
either a barrier or promoter and then tested out against all 3 systems
(Individual/Family, Community/Community systems/,etc.). Things that
we knew were a problem, things that were getting in the way of the
various systems in our experiences. We put it where we thought it
belonged.
Group 2 (5-9)
Process- used a similar process except for what we came up with
in looking at barriers and promoters. They were pretty broad; there
was some overlapping and many that applied all the way across. We
found one that extends all the way into family, the fact that complaints
are discouraged in some points in the system and the fact that people
are afraid of retribution within the system.
Group 3 (10-14)
Process- Removed 10-14 and reworked them- replaced them and identified
the key things they came up with, looked for broader system definitions
that allow for flexibility. Quality management includes all levels
so everyone is satisfied with service- includes community and CMS.
Group 1- 1-4 Key Themes: Investments and Barriers
· No knowing how to document complex system that exist as
a result of consumer empowerment. How do we document this complex
system? Because the path for one person is so individual- CMS has
to tell somebody how they spent $$, how will they organize and document
where he $$ went? Consumer empowerment leads to a complex system
and it’s difficult to document complex systems in a uniform
way. People are willing to do it but it’s very hard.
· Barrier-Consumer dominated operations- having consumers
involved in the evaluative process rather than just social workers
from CMS,etc. Rich- right now CMS uses a great deal of research
and input at the University level, we are suggesting they use consumers-
have more consumers participate in the policy and evaluation. It
should be DOMINATED/DRIVEN by consumers, not just involvement. These
technical experts at the university level should receive more info
from the consumer.
· The endpoint of the system should be for the consumer-
focused on the consumer outcome, so the number of dollars becomes
one factor that you look at in consumer outcomes. Endpoint should
be consumer outcome, not fiscal or some other.
· Corporate culture of customer satisfaction- two groups
of customers- one is provider and the other is consumer.
· Documentation throughout the system that aligns practice
with policy.
· Barrier- The federal guidance in general should empower
the states more—reimbursement systems that allow for sustainability
· Federal role: set minimal expectations related to empowerment-
more flexibility to states w/a federal safety net. Have states make
some basic assurances about what must be done that allows for flexibility.
These are things that would need to be articulated- CAUTION ABOUT
BLOCK GRANTING ISSUES HERE. **Crossover with Risk Management issues
here- back to welfare of participant that states are charged with,
states pass that on to the community system, when individual makes
a choice for their health and welfare- the state is making them
responsible thus the community does not want to allow the individual
assume the risk of their own safety&health- this places an assurance
in there that does not allow that to happen thereby DISEmpowering
the individual.
· Barrier- Basic safety, health, welfare and Risk management
issues
· Identifying a clear process and objective- and also an
independent review type of process that brings a way of examining
issues why. How to determine “informed”?
· Barrier- currently no appeals process that allows a consumer
to challenge
· Consider new mechanisms to share risk- back to the private
sector and the balance of risk as opposed to those who are non-profit
and those for-profit. Negotiation of risk is shared and ultimately
when it comes to litigation – risk is assumed? In this market
we do not have that- we don’t want someone looking at profit
as determining risk.
· Barrier- continued liability
· Shut off funding for ICF-MR
· Consolidate services across life domains based on hour
support- one service definition- LIFE support activities and those
are determined based on the individual. This increases flexibility,
aligns the funding in the service category with empowering people
to make choices about their life. Removes admin/category restrictions.
· Create something in the system to prevent adverse effects
and medical errors- Investment to spend additional state funds to
reduce these technology related issues or pay home health workers
more in efforts to reduce those related issues. (Mortality Analysis???)
Create processes to reduce or limit, includes family involvement
in order to help. Richard- analyze the causes of errors or risk
and create system improvements that reduce or eliminate; creating
a CULTURE OF SAFETY- whereas people as a group record those errors,
and the info is shared in that manner.
Group 2- Investments and Barriers
· Barrier- with respect to tokenism- the federal govt should
be held to the same standard of consumer empowerment. One thing
absent would be consumer task forces for CNS for example, there
should be a community provider because every level has its own set
and consumer voices are absent from most of those levels. This leads
to consumers receiving svcs they don’t need. – Consumer
Task Forces recommended to CMS- at the highest level with the greatest
amount of dollars. Leandre-CMS maybe very open to these suggestions
but they are looking for guidance on what those things actually
are.
· If it wasn’t a decision making body- simply listening
to what consumers bring to the table wasn’t good enough. Need
to make them equal partners, let them be vested with decision-making,
on all-important levels.
· At the community level make sure process is driven by consumer
outcomes or satisfaction, once the needs of the consumer are identified.
The needs of the consumer need to be included in the design itself.
If we are designing programs we need to talk to consumers first
then decide on the programs. Willing to concede that it folds in
to 2nd investment point? Having a role in the decision making process,
not just being at the table.
· Employing consumer consultants for design and evaluation,
making it a purposeful intent to employ consumers in policy making,
capturing the voice and needs of the consumer, this should be part
of the design process in terms of evaluating the support services
and getting those in place. This is also relevant to the consumer
task force. This removes the barrier and equalizes these people,
sort of not making them so-called 2nd rate citizens, etc.
· Barrier- accountability at the practice level just isn’t
there. Monitoring of consumer empowerment, specifically if it’s
going to be an indicator- grants for example that do not have a
consumer advisory task force that loose their funding. Repercussions
set in place, something with Teeth (Melissa Wittman) where if they
don’t do this, they will face some sort of repercussion.
· The federal govt as they create policy gets passed on thru
he state to the community, that the assessment at the community
level- the information flows from the fact and some way to communicate
back to the fed govt that there exists a policy problem. Ex- consumer,
community and state that includes the end user and how would that
work. Sort of a “loop” for this to establish a flow
of information.
· staff demonstration of knowledge of definition of consumer
empowerment
· Increasing number of people with disabilities employed,
more money to workforces with disabilities, the more specific we
can be- the competitive workforce.
· External advocacy is sometimes affected in terms of being
able to solve a problem- CMS having obligation to oversee some groups?
Or groups that include consumers as well, advocacy groups. Commonality
in what you are doing is criteria or could be criteria for aligning
with external advocacy groups. In some ways this could possibly
be a barrier if goal(s) not shared. By design, task force needs
to include those whose values are aligned. Organizations that are
critical being part of the decision making team. Sometimes this
is necessary in terms of the government. Beth- use of “charters”
to be held accountable to that or as a tool to keep groups from
wandering away from their actual goals set fourth to begin with.
Having a group that addresses specific things. In the context- family
members and individuals w/disabilities become more apparent in the
community.
· Barrier-Individuals who cannot voice their concerns or
fear to speak up about services they need or are not receiving.
Staff is also involved and their choice to advocate something that
doesn’t necessarily fall within the scope of some objective,
they are afraid and fear repercussion. So it’s a every level,
not just for the individual. Every level could from the end-user
to the president, whoever needs to respect the little “e”.
Richard-Feedback concept that may help explain is that of learning
organizations. Orgs that structure themselves and operate in a way
that they are always gathering info about what works/doesn’t
and then constantly changing what they do. Suggestion to put the
term LEARNING ORGANIZATION in the mix. Is that an investment in
learning organizations or promoting organization philosophy; perhaps
a culture of safety. It is about outcomes and changing the way they
do something-continuous quality improvement? Beth QAQI-is critical
but needs to occur in a way that doesn’t try to deal with
a problem so quickly. We’ve learned that change is not always
good the learning is the point there, understanding what you are
doing and that relates to QAQI. Patty- is there evidence that it’s
incorporated into practice? That they are learning?
· Promoting mechanisms to support learning cultures and
accountability/implementation measures to ensure it’s done.
(possible future.
Group 3- Investments and Barriers
· Equalization of knowledge- Prep work to ensure meaningful
participation in advisory/decision making bodies
· Barrier: it’s not user friendly and there isn’t
any of it- info. How to navigate and leverage services/supports
· Govt regulations that are flexible and responsive, not
a preset menu of things but something open-slate where they put
what is on there, they don’t have to choose from what is available.
Aspirational vs prescriptive. Goal based, and not prescriptive based.
Documentation of what consumers really need and what has impacted
their life. Leandre- in terms of looking at data; focus on how $
got to be spent as opposed to how it was utilized, a whole focus
change. Melissa- a series of items maybe on a checklist where you
go through the process with an individual as an example.
· Process criteria/customized services and individualized
budgets. Beth/Patty- in terms of data collection the process criteria
becomes the data. Patrice- that’s part of the continuous quality
improvement aim also. Dawn- add as a third process for criteria
the consumer? Or is it a given? Ensure that the consumer is actually
included in the process. Leandre- this sounds like we just sort
of add the piece on and we actually want to change the Fed expectation?
Patrice- what do they look at right now to ensure that goals are
met? Beth- when we come up with these criteria how do we know what
process is a better system? If we don’t know how the lives
of however many individuals unfold? We should make an investment
to figure this out. Richard/Patty/Beth- that needs to be done. **Process
Criteria**
· Expectations and Investment in- change process
Summary discussions:
The complexity in issue of accountability- in terms of empowerment,
choice and outcomes, there’s no clarity in terms of an outcome.
(Taken from a combination of statements).
Dawn- it’s overly complex so the investment needs to be made
because the existing mechanisms are too complex. Beth- people don’t
think in terms of measurement. Rich- needs to develop measurement
tools that reflect the empowerment paradigm. Variation on this from
state to state but there is a need to change the from the deficiency
focus (sort of CMS backbone system funding) to a life goals focus,
sort of hopes and dreams. The resources should not be made on the
basis of a deficiency focus of what is wrong with you. Because the
empowerment paradigm is about focusing on people’s life’s
goals; the funding is based on what’s wrong with you, So every
year you have to say what’s wrong with somebody to keep the
$$ going. Beth asked the question of eligibility determinations
based on what? Patrice- lack of information issue added to our list
of barriers. We need to know what the Feds need to report to congress,
that way we are giving the correct information. -Issue of inadequate
info to share with Congress. Feds work with projects and states
to determine what info needs to go to Congress.
Today’s Reporting session- Key Points:
· Federal consumer task force
· Reporting Dialogue (multi-faceted)
· Begin & end w/ consumer voice- from beginning to end
· Flexibility- life support activity
Next steps:
· More dialogue to clarify issues raised
· Create opportunities to pilot some of these ideas
· Send feedback in the form of a letter to CMS on our groups
findings and solicit their input to the projects as well. Feedback/Response.
Group 2
#5-Symbolic Gestures: example Creation of dysfunctional/non-functional
task force-
Token CNS Representatives
Process:
#5-Community State Federal
. Promote-assure end user, input in each step of program design
integration process.
. Promote-Employment of consultants who utilize services.
CNS satisfaction -See diagram in A Maintain Accountability and asset
monitor
. Token board no decision making authority/voice Barrier-No CNS
Advisory groupEnlightening having process for Regs. token
#6-Community State Federal
. Foster-Develop competencies & establish standards for hiring
.Foster- Increase # Individual employed w/ Disabilities
. Barrier-Discrimination
#7 Community State Federal
. Foster- Info, Train-Apply comp to existing staff
. Barrier- Existing values/principles don’t support
#8 Community State Federal
-Include external Advocates in task force applies to #5 Mutually
brought from opportunities Promote- Involvement of hose external
groups that are consistent w/mission of program.
Constraints provide agency owner** Applies to--- Constraints on
advocacy by state employeesIndividual & Family
Barrier - Constraints on advocacy by Fed Employees
#9 Community State Federal
Promote-
Group III- Enablement (day 1)- Mark’s Notes
*Slanted warning- cautionary- Deal with the cards you are dealt,
not the cars you wish you were dealt.
Bob Mollica- community verbage confusing. State roles?
Strong leadership most important.
Joe Entwistle- - make constellation into spider web. Each state
is so different.
Ernest- states role in creating an environment to change- does leadership
have to be in a certain place?
Sue- CMS to encourage groups to put out. Where do you need a law
or policy or court action to force change?
Sally- There is always the threat (of court action) to make things
happen instead of a proactive group.
Ernest- What are the catalysts to elicit change?
Jennifer- leadership-- good leadership, barrier elimination study
(Penney/Pennsy?1) 37 barriers. How administration took silos away,
took 37 barriers and worked in them.
Joe E.- Small successes are important. Motivating.
Ernest- What do we expect from leadership if it is to make change
happen?
Jennifer- Communication and structure- change happens at lower level.
If those from lower levels aren’t on board, it’s hard
if not impossible to enforce. Policy vs. enforcement. Two kinds
of authority (?) needed in order to motivate change in system
Lee- worked in some states, not others, why?
Janet- It often falls down to individual people, so how do you get
each one to do it? Entrenched Democracy. Give the audience a feeling
they can do this. Should have been policy paper vs. scholastic paper.
Instead pick specific issues that we all agree could be changed
in all states.
Bob- Agree with critical ingredients, but you must be state specific.
Sue- Leadership happens at multiple levels, you can’t rely
on just one.
Edie: Who would be the right people who talk to each other
Sue: People within state government, local government, family advocates.
Mechanisms: Real choice Community ling. Task forces.
Sally- Mid government?
Sue: The Mid? Uses were concrete with helped get it passed.
Sally: Cost effectiveness is very important. Must capture funding
and quality life element.
Jane: Things seem so desperate—hard to get the agencies…
Darrell: Synopsis.
Edie: Guidance to set up changes
Joe: Find people, find goal and throw spotlight on that person;
in other words create advocates/leaders.
Sue: Create a group.
Edie: People-- who have a history together, established rapport.
Bob: Will leadership and agency give auth?
Sue: outside agitation
Bob: glad (only) advocates kill bill that was passed because they
were not included.
Joe: Be a middleman. Give info to, use advocates.
Ernest: Ask for grant
Janet: Leadership with clarity and articulate goals, realistic goals.
Edie: What are the elements necessary? Further (?) needs to know
applicant knows what pieces are in place. Applicant (?) needs to
know what needs to be in place and what are the states they can
take.
Sue: Back to Darrell’s synopsis-
· Leadership at multiple levels
· Shared vision- what is in it for all?
· Medicaid Buy-in
· Get multi-divided communities together; elderly, disabled,
etc. issues are same: home care, etc.
Jennifer: Her state is now accountable.
Sally: Funding have certain parameters. What do you think elements
need to be at the table?
Joe: What is the sustainability after they give the grant
· How is the money to be used that’s important
· Last longer when money runs out
Bob: Two states have universities that manage grants. How is it
affected?
Sally: University provides staff that state can’t hire--Extension
of work force.
Sue: University has different levels and credibility; better ability
to deal with advocates that state workers don’t.
Janet: in groups it’s always important to have great communication
who can entail info well to motivate people.
Edie: can’t prescribe guidelines: must have university, must
have…etc.
Janet: Outcome of this meeting suggested: 6 points and 6 papers
on each point (like leadership—at every bend perhaps).
Joe: Systems change is like tragedy- everyone deals with it differently.
Janet: True. “Systems Change”, stop using it in isolation
but w/ something like a goal. “make a systems change to help
your…”
Edie: How can you actualize leadership from different ends?
Sue: Worked because they didn’t come to the table with a particular
agenda.
Joe: Nice venue helps.
Edie: Team communication and here is how you do it.
Janet: Importance and networking.
Sue: How do you find and sustain work? If you invest 10% in building
social network is much more fruitful than pulling that 10% in another
part of the problem.
Darrell:
1. What are the issues resonated most in the group?
2. What themes in the paper were developed well enough?
3. Any future suggestions to follow-up?
Ernest: indication…common good?
Janet: Align social and self-interests together
Edie: Connecting with people w/ shared values and goals before bringing
pet projects, etc. – let specific projects evolve from this.
What’s working and what is not? Collaboration- what kind of
people together- collaboration, agenda.
Sally: what’s the process to make it work?
Janet:
· Use professional facilitator for objectivity.
· Utilization of convenience and right people at the table
are one in the same point.
· Have an agreement at the start to use certain values
· Get them on board to refer back to
Jennifer: Get a lot of work done between large meetings with smaller
groups
Janet: There should be a continuity of knowledge in the groups.
Some kind of structure for people to get on the wagon fast –
give people a chance not to be burned out.
Jennifer: Or tap into existing groups and informal network.
Janet: Formalize a group from state organizations to discuss cases
of people who want to transition out. Organizing with existing source.
Sue: Pronouncement of their values to support the direction.
Ernest: Government must give indication of cooperation/interest
for lower agencies to have confidence they will be considered.
Succession planning for sustainability:
1. Leadership at all levels and partnerships
· Good communication brings structure
· Leadership in all levels in communication
· Key element is mentoring stakeholders
2. Inclusion:
· Ensure the people who get the service give their desires
and what they need.
· Anybody who is impacted needs to be at the table from the
beginning.
3. Base and knowledge for all in group
4. Sustainability of systems change
5. Funding
· What types of funding?
· Shift in funding and shift in culture or how and who in
regards to sustainability
Edie: Types of activities to make issues sustainable:
· Changing funding stream- Medicaid not implementing what
they’re paid for
· Quality Assurance
· Regulation
· Mindset & perspectives, people with inst. Memory to
hold on those follow periods
· Establishing network of colleagues on all levels
· Changes in government structure
Day 2 Enablement: Cross State Network- Mark’s Notes
What constitutes positive state enablement of change that produces
eventual consumer benefit?
Edie: There are some things the state can do to facilitate the program.
Sue: What is the audience? State agency people? Policy makers?
Darrell: should be geared to grantees (state agencies).
Joe: How do you get the states to innovate systems change?
Sue: To enable com change states processors must:
Ernest: State agrees to actually support the systems change.
Bob: State is a broad support.
Sally: Pearls of wisdom fall into different sections.
Janet: How do you work with your state advocacy (like ADAPT) how
does the state deal with advocates?
Jennifer: Get state agency upstart to deal with their changes.
Sally: That’s changing the culture.
Ernest: State employees have hands on role w/changes.
Sally: States are “Gate Keepers”.
Jennifer: Complaints need to be solution based…culture change…educational
change…
Bob: What is the states’ vision and policy direction?
Sue: We are assuming this is a state agency who wants to create
change. How do we do it?
Ernest: Ensure the change includes all parties.
Sally: recipients, advocates & legislatures as partners.
Sue: We are giving a blueprint for change and these are the things
you need: leadership, vision, etc.
Edie: The focus has to be very direct in supporting change.
Sally (to Kathy): The state does not do well in monitoring consumers.
There seems to be no way for states to slap the hand (much for holding
providers accountable).
Ernest: Sustainability. The state needs a system to ensure changes
are made.
Janet: we have content, but we need to package it so people will
want to read, use it. No one wants to read a narrative paper.
Bob: What will people who read this want to know?
Janet: One goal of leadership from states experience in all levels.
Jennifer: On the flip side how to foster leadership the community.
Sue: Bring people in and use their information.
Lee: How do you say this is the right thing and this is the wrong
way?
Joe: Leader listens, reiterates to understand and implement it.
Ernest: People must get out into the community and interact. –
training is best supplemented by actual (video) examples, instrumental
opportunity- grab opportunities as they occur.
Sally: Look at incidents & see if there is a trend in the individual
incidents.
Obstacles to key components:
Sue: ensure people can participate- transp., intercept, logistics…
If advisory group has that problem, what about larger groups without
the experience?
Sally: who to include? And how to expand it without threatening
the original usual suspects.
Jennifer: Ensure usual suspects don’t disempower new consumers.
Janet: Use internet as education & consumers get used…thrown
out computer for email& internet.
Joe: Business- prison- sends them back it. (nursing home lobby is
very strong).
(Telephone Access Program? TAP)
More barriers to remedy inclusion:
. Ensure frontline operators get info
. Consistent way to fund for consumers
. Help care workers to participate
. Barrier to _____ from misinformation
. Medical model- i.e., is individual transitional at table for decisions
. Providers- what is the incentive for going
. How do you include people who are powerfully opposed to change?
Obstacles to goal leadership:
. Tenure at political level
Joe: if political tenure is 2 yrs, but systems change is 5 yrs -
they may not care.
. Training new leaders (corporate knowledge is looming)
Sustainability (barriers to):
. Funding
. Lack of appreciations (interest)
. Public relations issue
. Change our cultures
. Ways to make these things relative to themselves
. Change in regulations
Key area- what you were thinking of obstacles and investments…If
thinking from yesterday has changed. (revisions)…Any Suggestions
for action.
Day Three: Getting Started: Lex Frieden
(Note: The day started with representatives of the three groups
meeting with Dave Hasbury, graphic facilitator, to summarize the
events/outcomes of the previous two days.)
Today we’re going to focus on unlocking the code of effective
systems change. We’re going to do it in a way you haven’t
done it before. Dave Hasbury is, as we speak, inventing what we
did in the last two days. The first time I was exposed to it I was
a little skeptical (you’ve got a cartoonist doodling, etc).
Then I was fascinated. Then I was captivated.
I simply ask you to bear with the process. We’re dealing with
issues we’re not accustomed to dealing with in the discussion
about systems change. The reality is this is not a cartoonist. He
helps us see from a different perspective.
Let’s use this as a critique of our work over the last two
days and a look at how do the groups’ work relate to each
other. After that, we’ll talk about where we go from here.
I don’t think we’re ready for that right now. But, put
that thought in your mind and begin to think about what it’s
going to take to go anywhere from here.
I think we all share a common vision of people in the community.
You’re here because you have something unique to contribute
to the process. (Invites comments about the process.)
How many of you were anxious about this process? (A number of people
raised hands.)
How many of you were bored?
.Group 1 was fabulous. We had people who didn’t agree—but
didn’t agree for good reasons. It was well-managed and well-facilitated.
Very constructive. Very realistic.
. We worked as a team. The paper served its intended purposes in
this group. (Group 1, I think.)
. It was a safe environment to say what we wanted to say..\
. Our team did a good job. Jay was the alpha facilitator. It worked
out because of how they worked as a team.
. The lack of structure probably made it difficult for facilitators.
Pictures from Preceding Days: Dave Hasbury
I met with representatives from each of the three groups. We went
through a conversation to try to distill what happened. I’m
going to try to feed back what I think I heard.
Quality Community Service (Group 1)
.Leadership development…one part was recruiting leaders…and
developing a national academy of leadership…the idea of thinking
ahead as to how we’re going to continue to grow in leadership…
.Second piece is professional development as delivered in one of
the starting places in higher education...bring up to speed the
college and university system…..model courses…updated
textbooks…
. Accreditation…developing quality and the improvement of
organizations…not as a penalty…but as an incentive to
improve… continue to look at quality from the perspective
of the people using the service…that the focus be on quality…
. Networking…we’ve got to do better at networking between
states and have to find ways to move beyond the silos
. Products and materials…
. Policy…look at leveraging current experiences and ???…
we also need to look at supporting policymakers by giving them the
“how to’s” of an idea….
. Research and evaluation…collecting what already exists….develop
new ways of evaluating…
Empowerment (Group 2)
.The first part of the meeting was just around the word. There
are two kinds of empowerment. One is the power within a person,
the other is associated with the enabling or disabling that happens
when you meet up with systems.
. We’re going to accept that the personal power exists; but
we want to talk about the second. How does the system get in the
way of people exerting their own power? We need to get that voice
as a built-in feedback loop.
. Connected to that, we had to come to terms with the fact that
systems and individuals may have different priorities for making
decisions…and what makes a good decision. In many situations,
there may be an imbalance because of priorities that relate to the
system and not to the individual. Observing how those two things
exist and how do those different imbalances effect systems change.
. Let’s keep the outcomes of the consumers the bottom line
for if we’re succeeding. The idea of customer satisfaction…not
only did you reach the outcome…but the consumer was satisfied.
In order to do that we have to find some new ways to measure.
. Flexibility to get out of the way… the “pyramid-al”
point…an inverted power structure with the system at top and
person at the bottom. The closer people can be to the resources,
the more likely they will have power. How will the system get out
of the way? How will the federal level out of the way of the state?
Etc. How does the system get out of the way of itself?
. What happens when we know a criterion wasn’t actually followed,
but the money still got spent? If we’re going to say something’s
important then how do we enforce that importance?
Systems Change (Group 3)
. Leadership—not in any one area, but at all levels. One
of the keys is the ability to communicate in order to get other
people to come up with the ideas…across the spectrum. One
of the strategies is to keep in the non-partisan realm...across
political understanding (non-partisan framework). Pass on the legacy
of leadership. Who will fall into place?
. Inclusion—all considered. Consumer, family, politicians—all
with a partnership approach. Thinking about inclusion of parties
in all of the processes at all levels. At different levels there
are obstacles that get in the way…need to broaden the pool
beyond (the usual suspects)…has to be non-token….conversations
“with”—not “about.” For all this to
happen, time and money and resources are going to be required.
. Knowledge—if you’re going to have a process that includes
a wide range of people, you’ll have disparate amounts of knowledge
among participants. The question is how do we level out the knowledge
base? Find new ways to talk about things that will enable the spreading
of knowledge to happen quicker, easier and more understandable.
. Sustainability—we need data collection to be able to say
something is worth sustaining and here’s why. We also need
to have a clear vision of what we’re trying to sustain. And
we need to keep in mind the question of how will what we’re
doing be sustained? We need to continually document success to fuel
the sustainability.
. (Comment from a Group 3 participant: (We talked about the leadership
rests within everybody…people can provide leadership from
any level.)
Question from Lex: What are ways that things are or are not alike?
Responses:
.Leadership, empowerment, knowledge, inclusion are recurring themes.
. Leadership…people can’t really assume that role until
they are empowered…it’s like the empowerment is the
base of all of that.
. These things are totally interconnected….the voice of the
consumer is the beginning of the entire thing and the way that voice
is heard in the community are very different things.
. In the Systems Change group we talked about how these things are
interrelated.
. In general it takes “x” amount of time to get a project
done. The reality is if you bring people in at the beginning, you
cut off all the time at the back end of getting people to buy in.
. A linear relationship ….a clear dependent relationship between
the three.
Question from Lex: Are inclusion and empowerment necessary but
not sufficient for systems change?
General agreement.
Comments:
. We have to document to know what to sustain. We don’t know
how to document.
. Did the group define empowerment? We decided we couldn’t
define it…but tried to discuss it at different levels…it’s
a person issues…didn’t want to make it a values judgment
based on whether somebody was exercising their right to be empowered
or not. We also talked about how we could provide opportunities
for empowerment. It went back to barriers in systems.
. Empowerment is really in the eyes of the beholder and varies between
individuals. It can be just as empowering to say I don’t want
to put in the effort to manage my own services,
. Moving from prescriptive to “aspirational” …focus
on the goal as opposed to a checklist of “units.”
. I’m looking at this and asking, “Does this reflect
my experience?” What, for me, is missing is the fight. In
the background, it’s a huge fight. It’s about organizing.
It’s about meeting in the back room, hiring lobbyists with
money you’re not supposed to be doing it with. I don’t
know how it gets expressed…there is something about organizing
and strategy and understanding power. It’s about organizing,
strategy, creating tension….
. What happens to a group that is trying to create this change…but
the true group of power is not on board with the vision? We need
to be able to agitate those outside parties….
Dave: Part of what she’s getting at is there is a backdrop
of an absolute imbalance of power that exists.
There is a very emotional, imbalanced and unjust imbalance that
is our starting place… what do we do about a backdrop that
it is an unjust, imbalanced thing?
Dave: My sense is the imbalance goes at all things. It’s
the one given you can put up here in the first place.
§ In gathering information for our paper, we found that, often,
a precipitating event and a champion combined to create some systems
change. In most of the states we studied, these weren’t unique
crisis. What made it a different was how people used that crisis…it’s
the leadership in framing…
. It’s not just the fight and imbalance…but the opportunities
that come up
. Another backdrop is our aging population.
. There’s an economic incentive now in addition to the moral
obligation we’ve had for years…
. We have to be more specific to really effect systems change.
. Sometimes people don’t know what’s possible…that
movement, passion and fire created critical mass…
. It could fit into leadership if you could put in support and enable
external agitation and organizing….
. Leadership…giving people skills in how to organize…how
to use the media…how to agitate. In systems change, it’s
a constant back and forth between moving forward with strategies
based on sound practices…then it’s using those agitation
skills IF things aren’t moving forward…
. How do you manipulate that passion and energy for systems change?
Lots of little skirmishes and victories and defeats. What frequently
is missing is the target.
. The art and science of systems change.. we talked about tools
and ratings, etc. In so much of systems change there is an art and
a science…knowing when to push, when to pull, etc.
Question from Lex: Are we still trying to drive toward an abstract
concept?
We know what we’re about…but if we look at the other
stakeholders, we’re not there.
Dave: So we’re talking about finding ways we can communicate
across spectrums of people…
. It might be good strategy to include people who are aging in
the systems change…
. The experience of an aging population can inform the disability
population…
. Not just thinking of people here and now…but systems that
support over a lifetime…
. Essentially, “them” is us.
. Kenneth Manton, Brenda Spellman, Liu ?????
Dave: What I hear in this conversation is something that got raised
in Jay’s group…start crossing the “silo-ed”
world.
.People in the aging system are very disempowered…..
Question from Lex: When we are embracing systems change, we are
at the broadest level promoting change across the whole environment,
not just Medicaid services, CMS, etc. If that’s so, how do
we get past the boundaries were stuck on?
. Think three-dimensional….example of desire to work with
SmartGrowth people…there are lots of movements like that we
aren’t affiliated with…very well organized…make
our stuff their lexicon…non-system, other movements…..
. Hook up to the aging
. Part of systems change is raising consciousness so that the societal
context starts putting pressure on the system as well…
Question from Lex: Where do we go from here? You will receive much
of the information back and you’ll receive more…I’d
like to get a sense of where we can go from here. CMS is in a position
to facilitate more of what we’ve been doing the last few days.
Regardless of where this group goes, the community-at-large has
an investment at moving more toward systems change.
. We really need to look beyond systems change…the need to
reframe the issues to package and publish and disseminate our agenda
in a way that is comprehensible to all and to begin to change the
societal context….
who’s going to do that….
. Some group needs to get together to take the notions, design and
concepts and begin talking about them in the context of a strategic
or business plan.
. Reframing is part of the business plan.
. I (Jan) am writing a paper for the journal of community development
that embraces the work we’ve been doing in Littleton…
would be happy to send it along…. exceptionality v. universality.
. Could we start a listserv to identify who needs to do what? (somebody
said hcbs.org will do that)
. Take a group like this and combine it with a consumer group and
letting those two groups work together toward that action (action
for ILRU)
. A communication vehicle…about what the efforts have accomplished…would
be a really important short-term project. People could produce stories.
ILRU could produce the publication….and the impact of the
systems change grants.
. Developing personal and/or state action plans…
CMS: We’ll try `to tease out the actionable items…at
least we can help to identify them.
. The strategic plan is critical to all of us….to also guide
what areas CMS funds.
Evaluation by Participants
. It was useful. The empowerment group had a tough challenge on
the first day. Bringing consumers together would break that down…
. I thought the process was great. Some of what I think would be
a next step is to get a little more specific with actions. It was
great to discuss these big ideas with people who have so much to
contribute.
. This focused my vision on how I’m going to report my information.
It was fantastic…very well organized.
. Wonderful that CMS could join us.
Closing Comments: Richard Petty
Rhetoric was an issue from the starting point—and how we
move from it to real, concrete descriptions. We are still looking
for that concrete, clear language about where we are going. We made
far more progress than I would have imagined earlier because everyone
was committed to the process. People were “genuinely present”
and it was an incredible process. Worked so well because of Darrell—our
“celestial navigator”
It was far more productive than I ever imagined. The harmony and
synergy that were here will continue to grow and we will involve
others, as appropriate.
Colloquium General Assembly Notes from Final Day
(taken from Dave Hasbury’s chart)
Question- WHAT IS MISSING?
Where does “The Fight” Fit?
· Injustice is the starting place- imbalance of power
Backdrop of…
· Economics- Resources are limited
· Demographics---ex. Aging population- Alliances- look for
opportunities for Exchange Support
· Environmental
Art and Science of Change-
· (Science) here we have been thinking…
Can we articulate what we see in ways others can understand?
System Change is beyond Medicaid, Disability- beyond “Systems”-
ex. Smart Growth, or Liveable/Wallable Communities = Societal (goes
back to issue of Backdrop at the top)
Question- WHAT IS NEXT? (Chart)
ACTION WHO
Research “Model Community” Response to Aging Growth
States
Reframe Issues Beyond “Systems” Change
Business Plan - Strategic Action- who, what, where… A Group
like this- Future- Others- Consumers- CMS-Future $ Initiatives
N.H. (contextual paper) - Littleton Experience Jan Nisbet - Distribute
to Group
ListServ to Share/Explore - HCBS.ORG WEB
Partner this Group to Consumer Group - ILRU Convene
Success Stories of Real Choice Initiatives State Initiatives - Stories
ILRU Compilation/Publication
Step out of our SILOS to learn and share from/with other experiences
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