STACEY MILBERN: Welcome and good morning.

We are so excited to be here.

Thank you for joining us.

A little bit of access review. 

So we will be audio describing the slides. 

If there's something we miss, please let us know. 

If there is something that you don't understand, for example 

I notice I'm starting to use more bay area woowoo language, so if that is the case, then shout it out.

And then also, my personal access need is I might have
to step out, and if I do, I'll be right back. 

We are going to start by reviewing some ground agreements and
just to say up front. 

When you are doing community leadership work it's really important
that you have ground agreement. 

Sometimes people see it in the agenda.

And they are like, oh we are all adults, we can script this part. 

Respect each other, that is so obvious. 

But when you are spending a lot of time together as a group, it's really important to be on the same page about how people are going to behave and interact with each other in that group. 

As a facilitator later, that's helpful, because if someone kind of goes 
outside the agreement, you can remind everyone that we have these shared values for the next few days. 

I never get to be the clicker, so I'm really excited. 

So we will be talking about a bit of pretty heavy stuff. 

I mean, seriously, we are talking about systemic oppression, racism, ableism, all of it, so it's really intense and we are going to do our best to take care of ourselves most importantly and also each other.

So please keep in mind to take care of yourself.

You will see a lot of cat photos. 

And this is the pusheen, the little animated cat. 

He's bouncing up and down waving his tail and saying hi. 

That's my own personal practice of self-care. 

So as people with disabilities we know and all kinds of
identities that we've been through some tough, tough, stuff and as a result, like, we have some pretty resilient practices. 

And so now is a really good time to tap into those practices and do what you do to take care of yourself.

And for me, it's looking at a lot of cat photos.

This slide says, take care of yourself, we will be discussing heavy topics these next few days it's common for feelings to arise.

Please remember to take care of yourself. 

You will see a lot of cat photos.

This is Stacey's practice of self-care smiley face.

Be mindful of neighbors.

So a lot of times people want emotional support and they didn't know how to ask for it so it can be common to kind of like turn to your neighbor during lunch and process your own experience of racism or ableism, and what we ask is that you do so consensually.

Before you start processing with a partner, say oh, is it okay if we talk about this, or do you mind talking about this with me?

Because a lot of times in spaces where people have different identities, some people become the caretakers.

Like the receivers.

Especially women. 

Especially women of color.

And then it winds up that everybody is kind of unloading on them and it's not fair and then people can't participate.

So we just ask that you get consent before seeking support.

And this is a cat with a super hero cape on it.

And below it, it says a super hero.

So the slide says, oftentimes people want emotional support and do not ask for this and in parenthesis: who knows this better than people with disabilities.

You can seek out support, you don't have to be a super hero.

If you seek support, please do so consensually. 

Oftentimes people unload without asking.

In this kind of environment that can add to the intensity. 

So one way to do this is by checking in with yourself.

So for example, if you can check in with yourself, it's important. 

Some things you might do.

Why am I feeling so blank? 

What is that about?

Maybe I feel blank. 

Is that feeling what my colleague is staying?

If not, maybe that's my own stuff. 

Let me go decompress.

So as an example, I know this week I got really mad. 

I was working with a manager and he didn't want to provide an accommodation. 

And I was so mad, I was wanting to go like call legal partners and write a letter. 

I wanted to contact the supervisor, all of this, and then I was talking it through with someone, I realized: Oh my gosh, I'm taking this so personally.

Like his prejudice isn't about me, but from my own experience of experiencing that, I can recognize why it is hurting my feelings so much.

And I was able to step back and not take it personally and then move forward with the job. 

But that's one example of checking in with yourself.

Another example, this says, wow, this is so sad.

There is so much oppression in this world.

I'm really, really sad and I don't know what the point of all our work is when the world is so messed up. 

It's natural to have feelings.

Especially with anti-oppression work and it's always better to acknowledge, than ignore it.

Are folks doing okay? 

So when we put this training together, it was pretty intentional that we didn't cover definition or idea of privilege but that is something to also be aware of.

Even as people have multiple identities and some of those include oppression, there's other ways that people have social advantages and just being aware of that in your conversation and interactions with each other.

The other reason I do want to include it is, sometimes when people are talking about ally work, all they talk about is privilege and the conversation never actually becomes, about okay, what can we do?

It's just like internal processing and you don't want to get stuck there and we want to talk about what can you guys do when you go back home.

But that is stuff that you can think about on your own later. 

DOLORES TEJADA: Is this on?  I'm Dolores.

I want to talk about the power dynamics in the room and for folks to really recognize the space that we are in and to honor that space. 

First of all, how rare is it that we can all come together like this for such a unique training and there are so many of us from all over the country here, right.

That is pretty exciting on its own.

We also want to acknowledge the fact that we should examine the room and examine how we are in this space and what type of space we take up.

That could mean a lot of different things.

It is thinking more, like Stacey was saying about the privilege that you may carry but it's something for you to reflect on on yourself. 

For example, is there obviously there's going to be different states that are not represented here.

There's going to be different staff levels, positions that are not represented here. 

Is every age covered that we serve?

Is every race that we serve in this room? 

What does the dynamics in this room really look like?

With that in mind, for yourself is to think about how you want to participate over the next couple of days.

And so we recognize and we honor the fact that every voice is valuable, right.

We all have a really strong, everyone in this room obviously matters because of the work that we are doing, but we also want folks to really think about how when you speak up or how you speak up is going to affect everyone else in the room.

If you are someone who talks a lot, I know I talk a lot, and maybe the way that you process things is by speaking out loud definitely honor that, and I acknowledge that as well. 

But also think about whether you are talking too much or if the fact that you are asking a lot of questions perhaps is preventing someone else from being able to ask questions. 

One suggestion I could give you is even if you have to process something have to process something or if you have a thought, write it down.

There's post-its in the center of the table.

Those don't just have to be for us to get feedback from you.

I used one today to remind myself about something when I was hearing everybody's introductions, oh, I want to toss this in tomorrow. 

I used it as a personal post-it note so I could write something down and remind myself of something later.

If you are someone who is really quiet in the space, I do want to challenge you to speak up and hopefully find a comfort level where you are able to ask questions and share your thoughts. 

Yeah, let's see, what else?

Oh, yeah, one of the major things that we also don't want to do is challenge people's experience of oppression. 

We are going to be talking about that this morning. 

It's heavy stuff but I want to encourage everyone to stick to I statements. 

So when you are talking about something, you are talking from personal experience. 

And you are not challenging the person across the table from you and what their lived experience is. 

That is definitely something to keep in mind. 

And also we want to talk about being active listeners which we are going to talk a little bit more about.

So we want to be able to listen to each other and we are going to talk a little bit how we can do that.

And another thing too is that we also are going to be fielding questions so if you have a question, write it down if we cannot answer it then, but definitely we want to encourage a conversation to get started. 

Anything I am missing?

STACEY MILBERN: one thing I might add is the compassionate piece. 

Now a days, in current time, the worst thing you can do is say something wrong on the internet.

People like blast you for it and you get socially outcasted, we don't want to build movements like that.

We want to be compassionate with each other and forgiving. 

If somebody says something that rubs you the wrong way. 

Maybe stretching a little bit to meet them where they are at. 

That does not mean you have to accept or tolerate crappy stuff, but trying to be our best selves in this place.

DOLORES TEJADA: we are going to do an active living exercise and the question for that is going to be one that you are going to answer. 

You are going to pair up with someone and you will each have three minutes to answer these questions.

Those questions are, what is oppression? 

And the second question is, when is it time that you have witnessed oppression, actively or inactively taking place.

Let those process for a little bit. 

Think about your own personal experience and we will go to the next slide about how this paired activity is going to work.

In order to practice active listening techniques.

Who has done active listening before?

Awesome, great. 

We really want to encourage folks to use your body and mind to be as present as possible for your partners storytelling.
present as possible for your partners storytelling. 

Active listening is exactly what that sounds like, you being completely engaged as a person listening to what the other person is saying and using your full body to communicate that.

You don't have to communicate it through words.

You don't have to interrupt them but you are sitting back and just listening to what the other person is saying. 

And if your mind wanders a little bit do your best to come back and have a focus be on what the other person is saying.

It does not mean that you have to process it, some of us may get defensive or if we hear something we may want to respond with a comment, but definitely hold those comments and honor them but we really want to encourage you to listen to what the other person is saying and refrain from giving feedback and at the end of the it, end by simply saying, thank you.

All you need to say is thank you.

That person is sharing something with you that could be very personal, so we want to trust each other to not judge each other.

We just want to express gratitude at the end of that person sharing. 

We also just want to acknowledge again that everyone has different abilities in the room.

And everybody does things a little bit differently. 

Whatever active listening means to you, really just express that through body language, through listening intently and honor what the other person is saying just be being silent and thanking them at the end of the discussion.

Should we go back to the question slide? 

If you can pair up with someone at your table. 

Each of you will have three minutes to share. 

We will start with one person and you will have three minutes to share a response to both of these questions.

What is oppression? 

And when is a time that you witnessed oppression actively or inactively taking place?

STACEY MILBERN: and just to be super clear, reiterating what Dolores said, when you are done sharing and the other person is done, all you say is, thank you.

Not thank you, I had the same kind of experience last week and I'm so mad about it.

Just two words "thank you." 

Okay? 

DOLORES TEJADA: If I could have everyones attention again please.

If you can hear me clap once. 

Thank you. 

So we, I think your definition of what oppression is, is definitely going to change or be challenged over the couple of days.

So I want to ask folks to maybe share in a few sentences in a couple of sentences, what you define as oppression now.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: I defined it before looking at the dictionary answer a couple of pages over as the othering of someone from another group, another racial group, another gender, another ability group as being less than fully human.

DOLORES TEJADA: thanks for sharing that. 

Go ahead. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: um, for me it's been the cutting off of options for anybody who, for any group of people that is open to the rest of like that group.

So it is like cutting off classes that you think would be to hard. 

Or cutting off job opportunities that by the other groups and then classified as too hard maybe for somebody.

DOLORES TEJADA: thank you. 

Anybody else. 

Say your name before you speak. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: my name is Daniel. 

And my description of oppression was when a group or individuals impose their will or attitude or ideas on another group or individual.

And with disregard of the group or individuals own personal will. 

DOLORES TEJADA: thank you. Roger, did I see your hand raised? 

There is a mic coming to you. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: my name is Roger. 

Daniel talked about it a little bit. 

Other people imposing their will. 

Looks like mainstream wants to treat people with disabilities. 

Like as a caretaker, so that's what I feel as oppressive. 

Folks always want to help and help is not necessarily needed at the time. 

So it's oftentimes folks with my disability, vision disability, are treated like babies.

Like not as smart or don't have the capacity to do certain things. 

That's a form of oppression. 

DOLORES TEJADA: all right. 

Thank you, Roger. 

Yeah, I definitely want to expand and ask folks to reflect on what this activity was like or maybe share what you shared with the person.

Keeping in mind, you don't want to share what that person shared with you but just to reflect on this activity from your own perspective if you like.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: my name is Brenda.

DOLORES TEJADA: can I hold the mic for you. 

You got it, okay. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: my name is Brenda and the story that I told the last time I experienced really severe oppression was I had worked with three members of a school district staff to develop a day long presentation for their seventh grade students on disability acceptance and integration. 

We really shied away from the word inclusion because we came to a decision together that the opposite of inclusion is exclusion, which gives power to others. 

But that integration is opposite of disintegration and no one benefits from that and it was a really powerful discussion and we designed a great presentation, but it was all by teleconference.

My voice, when I am very well, is not very affected by my disability.

When I got to the classroom, they literally, their jaws dropped. 

Oh my goodness, we didn't expect you to talk all day. 

We will just point at you when we want you to say something. 

I had to fight to deliver the presentation that we had agreed upon.

And so as part of that talk I let all the students know that it wasn't just young people that I was there to educate, but their teachers as well.

DOLORES TEJADA: thank you for sharing that. 

All right. 

So I think we will Go to the next slide. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: There's one more. 

DOLORES TEJADA: There is, I'm sorry. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: my name is Tora Thompson. 

I said oppression happens not just outside of this whole world but it also happens inside of this whole world.

A lot of people with mental health diagnosis' are looked at as "a-typical" people or typical people and their mental health diagnosis often times isn't accommodated or looked at as a true disability. 

So people in the mental health world that ask for those accommodations because they are not visible oftentimes are oppressed and that's not, and I see that a lot from where I'm from. 

DOLORES TEJADA: thank you and the last check in to make sure no one else wants to share.

One more.

All right. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: my name is John.

And in my experience, I'm actually in a relationship with a person who has a disability and when in society at large the idea that I must be a brother, a family member, a caretaker, a church member.

The idea that people who have a disability are not fully able to participate in relationships with other people is offensive, insulting and oppressive.

We often deal with that in humorous ways to make the point.

And I think that's important to acknowledge.

DOLORES TEJADA: all right. 

Thank you.

STACEY MILBERN: great, thank you. 

So the definition, Dolores and I want to share with folks: Is that oppression is the favoring of one group at the expense of another.

And favoring can mean anything.

But it's at the expense of another.

So on the slide there is a diagram with three circles. 

One says interpersonal, one says internal, and one says systemic.

So just as an observation, which makes so much sense. 

So a lot of the reflections on oppression were interpersonal and that's usually the way that society talks about oppression. 

So when we talk about racism, we don't talk about the fact that this week a story came out where black children aren't given as much pain medication in emergency rooms as other children.

Like that's the systemic racism. 

But we talk about the interpersonal racism, which might be somebody says this rude terrible thing to me at my job.

Like we can reflect on why we don't talk about the system part, right? 

Because we know that that's a big part of where the power is. 

So as we are talking in the next few days we want to think about all three of these elements.

What is the interpersonal oppression that's happening.

Interpersonal meaning between people.

So when somebody does something excludes you or another person that is interpersonal.

Ableism.

Let's say a paratransit driver refuses to pick somebody up. 

That's interpersonal and systemic because we know the driver is the interpersonal piece, but that paratransit is a larger system.

Another interpersonal example, we know that when somebody says it must be so terrible to have that disability.

I'm going to go to my church and pray for you.

We know that that's ableism right. 

They have an idea of about disability is that's not good and it's outplayed in an interpersonal way.

But when we talk about systemic ableism, we can talk about, wow, why are so many people with disabilities excluded from employment?

Like what is it going to take to change the system?

We can talk about if you are on public benefits why you cannot get married.

That's a systemic issue.

So we want to make sure we don't get lost in the interpersonal piece. 

The other part of this is maybe the most important part when you are start to go do community leadership programs is the internal.

So how can you support people in combatting all of those messages that they've been told on the inside?

And that's the internal part.

So when I'm feeling like I have nothing to say, nobody's ever going to want to hear from me, you know, I should go home and watch TV, like that's my internalized ableism, and it's kind of up to me to really challenge myself and recognize, oh, that's not true.

That's just a message I've been told, and I've internalized it.

Does that make sense?

Do people have an example of the difference between the three?

And it can be personal or just a general example. 

What about folks doing community organizing? 

Do you have any community organizers or system change advocates in the room?

Okay. 

Roger? 

Let's get a mic to you again.

I don't have any examples for you.

STACEY MILBERN: oh, sorry. 

I thought you did.

Okay. 

Mark?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Okay. 

I would say the whole Black Lives Matter thing is pretty systemic. 

It's long past time that we had that particular national conversation, and as a white person I can pretty much, I have the privilege of going about my business without, "hello, officer," without fearing for my very life.

STACEY MILBERN: totally.

So police violence is a hugely systemic issue because the police is the system, right?

Part of the system. 

Yes. 

In the blue shirt. 

I don't remember your name. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hello. 

My name is Daniel and my three examples of an internal oppression, something I do over and over again is I question my right to share.

Like I had to ask permission before I rose my hand. 

So I said, is this something I want to share?" 

So it's a question of being, giving myself the permission to do so. 

Systemic, I was talking a lot when we were talking about oppression, was the dynamic between a consumer and attendant, sometimes one is opposing a will over the other. 

It is not always one or the other. 

Sometimes it's a consumer who is constantly belittling an attendant or the other way around where an attendant is constantly imposing what is best for that consumer.

I see that a lot, we try to struggle against it but it is a weird dynamic that is hard to interrupt sometimes.

And then the interpersonal one I often get this because I'm in a rural area, I came from a city environment, and sometimes you don't belong here.

Why do you want to spend your time here?" 

This is Green County. 

We do things Green County ways. 

Don't come around here from Washington County. 

So that is a interpersonal one where it's been directed at me as an individual.

STACEY MILBERN: great. 

Thank you. 

Yes?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: My name is Matt. 

I just, my kind of question as well, how about the lady, the file clerk that wouldn't offer a marriage license to the gay couple.

The LBGT community, that would be oppression to them.

Now, she states religious reasons. 

People getting upset with her, would that opressing her religious views?

Do you know what I mean? 

It is just a question I have. 

STACEY MILBERN: so I kind of understand it from a different way, and other people can jump in, too.

So when I see Kim Davis, I am loving all the meems on the internet about her.

So there's the interpersonal heterosexism, right? 

Like you see the way she's engaging with people that come to her for the license, but there's also the fact that she's a representative of the state.

So there's the systemic piece to it. 

STACEY MILBERN: Amina? 

AMINA KRUCK: Similar to Daniel, I think about my friend who has a spinal cord injury and she also has chemical sensitivity, so she's dependent on caregivers, she's a quad, and she feels like a burden and that she doesn't have a right to speak up.

And with her attendant, she had an attendant that was kind of an explosive personality who finally did, she was stressed out for months about is this person going to quit or are they going to yell at me?

So the person gave her a month's notice that she was going to leave and in some ways she was relieved, but then the attendant asked for a letter of reference.

And she really didn't feel like in good conscious she could give her a letter of reference unless she could say to me, unless she could say on the letter that she had a hesitant about her working with vulnerable populations because of her explosive personality.

And so she counseled with me about should I say it or not? 

And she was right. 

She had a risk if she said it. 

And she did say it and the attendant walked out on her right then, so she was stuck without attendant care.

So that is the interpersonal piece.

The systems piece is how low caregivers are paid and that this person needs a high level of care and there's no flexibility in the system to give her that. 

Therefore, she has a really hard time ever finding attendants that will do what she needs to do and change all their chemicals and everything and take care of her.

STACEY MILBERN: great example. 

And I think that speaks also, again, we were talking about earlier privilege and, like, where you are in society is going to impact what you can do.

So I know that somebody who is physically vulnerable, I might not do a lot of things that somebody who can run away or walk out an attendant situation might, right?

So again there's that privilege and access piece, too.

Daniel, you made me think of that actually all three can be happening at the same time.

That's pretty common.

I know for myself, when my case manager comes out for long-term supports and services case manager, our interaction is all three.

Like there is her interpersonal that she is very patronizing and like I don't feel very respected, and then my internalized piece where I'm like, oh, my gosh, why am I acting like this, I'm in a hospital talking with a doctor when I'm actually in my house and do have some power, and then there's the very real systems piece that this woman is representing the state and in charge of my services, and you know, like there's some power there, too.

So all three connect at the same time.

Mattie, I saw your hand up.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: yeah, I was actually, is this on? 

Okay.

I was also going to give an example of all three happening at the same time.

So I have my disability, a chronic illness, when I was in high school and I first got sick I was trying to get accommodations, and so I was in a meeting with school administrators and they were basically accusing me of faking my illness, so that was sort of interpersonal in that they were clearly oppressing me on an interpersonal level.

Through the course of our conversation it was internalized because I started doubting myself, like do I really need these accommodations, they are making me feel like I don't need it and, then of course, we know on a systemic level that A) people with chronic illnesses are often accused of lying or faking, and that B) schools often do whatever they can to avoid giving students the rightful accommodations. 

STACEY MILBERN: great. 

Thank you, Maggie. 

And Elizabeth, Chad, did you have your hand up? 

Okay. 

Elizabeth? 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: So, am I on? 

So similar to what's been said, I'm Beth Jones by the way. 

I have a situation in high school where I was, I was allowed to be going up into an honors class and everything. 

I didn't need any recommendations or anything, but the system of the high school I was at kept downgrading me back to an average classroom basically every month or every two weeks or so during the summer and then even when I showed up on my first day of junior year, they still did it.

So I had to go through the front office before I even started my classes and kind of laid down what was going to happen and the fact that I was qualified for the class, and even though I have a physical disability, my brain still works perfectly fine.

STACEY MILBERN: okay.

One more.

Let's get you the mic.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Just a very quick share to the last person. 

You're not alone in that at all. 

I was the very first person in the mainstreamed in my county, and I was also a member of the gifted program and I'm old enough that my parents were told, do you want to choose an IEP based on her academic abilities or her physical ones?

So according to the state of Pennsylvania, I never graduated third grade because I still can not go up and down four steps.

That's my joke for today. 

STACEY MILBERN: and just to name one thing that happens in disability spaces is sometimes you say, oh, at least I don't have this disability, and a lot of times that's intellectual or psychiatric.

So just keep that in mind the next three days.

Okay.

So in the interpersonal part of the diagram, that might include neighborhood organizing.

So how can you change the neighborhoods, make people feel safer, get to know people?

And then also, just that a lot of work that's around diversity or diversity and inclusion, that's, again, interpersonal work.

So we see that a lot with big companies that they make the commitment to diversity.

So they're making a commitment to challenge the interpersonal piece but not necessarily the systemic piece.

In the internal section, that includes pride, positive media messages.

In the internal section, that includes pride, positive media messages, mentorship and empowerment.

So those are some of the ways that we can challenge the internalized oppression.

And then under systemic, you can do organizing or policy work or movement building, and all of this is to say, like, it's important for a movement to do all three of these, right?

ILCs also do what you can to do these different pieces, too. 

Do people have any reflections on this before we move on? 

Yes. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: The one thing I think is important to be mindful of is the fluidity of groups, you know, just as an example, I believe it was Amina brought up the paratransit system, and a lot of those folks are encouraged to do work that ends up causing them physical harm and they move into the very group that they were serving.

You know, and so the idea that you are in this group and this is your experience changes throughout your life, and you're going to have to constantly reassess and reevaluate how these oppressive systems actually impact you. 

STACEY MILBERN: totally, and we're talking about multiple identities, too.

So you might face oppression in one area but not in three other areas.

So being aware of that.

And then, yeah, like you said, so much is fluid in the spectrum and changing to, and that's a part of ableism, too, right?

Ableism dictates that there is disability and ability, and it's not like that.

And we can talk about why does that dichotomy exist.

Dichotomy meaning like two separate things when there's actually, yeah, like a spectrum.

So oppression outputs as, under internal it says shame, low expectations, and like it's real work to build one's sense of self.

That can take decades.

Interpersonal, telling someone they can't do something or making it so they can't, and then paternalism, and then systemic.

So there's a lack of access, inadequate education, segregation, like these are the different ways that oppression outputs in the world.

Does that make sense?

So, for example, for me as a gay woman I might have shame, and that is internalized.

I might get family messaging and I do. 

That's interpersonal.

And then there's systemic. 

There is a lot of, well until recently we couldn't get married, so this is different ways that it helped. 

Okay. 

So we already brainstormed so I'm going to skip that. 

So on the screen it says power plus prejudice equals isms. 

And this definition is actually from anti-racism organizing. 

So it says to have racism, there has to be the power and the prejudice, right?

There has to be the racial bias plus actually being able to implement that bias.

And I think that's a great definition because it really focuses on the systemic piece.

So, for example, with ableism, it's really ableism when there's already prejudice around the disability, and then the person is in a position to actually negatively impact you. 

If that person didn't have any power, then it's just kind of disability prejudice, but it's actually the person having power to impact your life that makes it ableism. 

Does that make sense?

Does that register? 

Okay. 

And then this slide is just a reminder, but I think we've covered it, that conversations can often focus on internal or interpersonal experiences instead of systemic. 

Why can this be problematic? 

Do you have an example where someone is avoiding discussions of something systemic? 

DOLORES TEJADA: all right. 

So can you hear me? Yeah? Okay. 

There it goes. 

So now we're going to talk about intersectionality as a theory, one of my favorite things.

So intersectionality was named by Kimberly Crenshaw who is a black woman in 1989, but the concept or the theory itself has existed for way longer than that. 

So the theory is, of intersectionality is that issues are all connected and interdependent in social justice, this means that promoting a single issue politic will not lead to liberation.

It will only help the group that benefits from that single issue. 

So a great quote from Audrey Lord is that there is no such thing as a single-issue struggle because we do not live single-issue lives. 

So what intersectionality is really about, especially from a social justice lens, is honoring and recognizing that we are not just one thing but we are really the sum of our parts.

We are not just a gender, we are not just a race, but we are a combination of these things.

So we may experience oppression in some regard because of one thing but we also could carry privileges because of other aspects of our identity. 

So it's really important to recognize that when people experience oppression, it's way more complex than just one thing, depending on, because of any, of who an individual is so it's not just about one thing but it's really about recognizing that we experience different systems because of who we are and because of those multiple identities. 

So, yeah, it's really about recognizing just the complex identities that we all carry with us.

So I'll give an example of myself.

So I politically identify as fat and I am also politically identifying as disabled.

So what that means is that when I walk into a space such as this, I don't just walk into the space as someone who is visibly Latina, visibly short, whatever folks may read me as, but I honor the fact that I am also fat and disabled. 

So what that looks like is I recognize how much space I take up, and I also may experience on the interpersonal level shame around, because of fat as a political identity, maybe something new or that other people may not experience that is there may be shame that I carry from other folks into a space, regardless of how much pride I may feel, so that could absolutely reflect how much space I take up.

But knowing that I have multiple disabilities, I also honor the fact that because of my body, I take up a certain amount of space.

I may sit in a chair differently, I may need to get up and walk around, whatever that looks like. 

So when I am somewhere and I am in a space, I often think about both of those complex identities. 

Also being a woman of color, when I'm in a space, oftentimes I could be in a space that has multiple executive directors and I am someone who is not an executive director, so I have to recognize and honor that they have a certain level of power over me but that also if I am in that space I am honoring my own identity and making sure to utilize my voice in that way. 

So that's just one example of how intersectionality could work and the different dynamics that we carry. 

So examples of interpersonal oppression. 

It is all of these isms right, ableism, racism, sexism, classism, hetero sexism, all the isms work hand in hand with each other. 

They don't just work separately. 

It's really like multiple at one time. 

So an example is slavery in the U.S. 

Black was considered, were considered mentally inferior. 

As a result they were believed not to be capable of having self-determination and racism and ableism exploited people.

So the narrative around slavery, what that's really saying is there's a narrative around slavery that was mostly due to race.

But when we think in a complex way about slavery we really have to recognize that folks who were black were exploited because, not just because of race, but because the race was connected to whatever a preconceived wrong notion was around what their capacity was.

So that's when ableism comes into play because there was this idea that if you were of a certain race, that it was, people believed that you were not capable of doing something, so that you had to be doing certain other types of labor.

Do you want to add to that?

No? Okay. 

Cool.

So I also want to touch again, we heard Stacey talk about it earlier in regards to resiliency, so there, it's also a side note because this is really heavy stuff, but one good example that I love is and that I really admire is Harriet Tubman who was someone who, she helped free a lot of slaves through the underground railroad.

So Harriet Tubman is often recognized as such a strong woman and a strong figure because of her work and experience, and one of the things that we could acknowledge is that she was someone with a disability.

She had a, I guess you call it, she had TBI, so she, because she had a traumatic brain injury, she would have episodes of, and a lot of folks would avoid interacting with her in the town because they figured she was going through an episode, but she used that as a power in her own way because she would actually be able to use that or even fake an episode, explore what was happening and then utilize that to scope out possible escape routes.

So that's a really good example of resiliency and how her own identity was, how her own identity was able to help her in some capacity, but it's also worth recognizing that had, had it been a black man in that time, perhaps it would have been different. 

Had she been somebody else, had a different identify, what that may have looked like, how different that may have looked. 

Yeah.

Thank you. 

STACEY MILBERN: so I read an article and it's been really eye opening for me.

It talks about racism in our language. 

So for example, we use the word "plantations," and when you hear that, you think of like Gone With the Wind era and it sounds romantic but really let's call them what they are, slave camps, right?

Or even the power around words, so we use the word slaves, but that's such a, puts people into, like, a single position, whereas maybe we use the word "enslaved people" to reflect that they were much bigger than that.

So I thought that was interesting and made me reflect. 

So another example of intersectional oppression, eugenics. 

Can you raise your hand if you're familiar with eugenics?
Can you raise your hand if you're familiar with eugenics? 

(applause).
(applause). 

STACEY MILBERN: so that is about half the room.
STACEY MILBERN: so that is about half the room. 

so eugenics was a political and social movement that said
so eugenics was a political and social movement that said 

some people are not fit to breed, and we should
some people are not fit to breed, and we should 

work to weed those folks out of society.
work to weed those folks out of society. 

Of course the people were
Of course the people were 

people with disabilities, people of color, people of
people with disabilities, people of color, people of 

low income, and women who were considered
low income, and women who were considered 

hysterical, and then what would happen,
hysterical, and then what would happen, 

it would happen in all kinds of ways.
it would happen in all kinds of ways. 

So it could be something as simple as children being
So it could be something as simple as children being 

given an IQ test and if you don't meet a certain score,
given an IQ test and if you don't meet a certain score, 

that has negative implications, or if you're a woman, you go
that has negative implications, or if you're a woman, you go 

into the hospital to get a minor procedure done
into the hospital to get a minor procedure done 

and you wind up being sterilized without your permission.
and you wind up being sterilized without your permission. 

So a lot of time eugenics, people think that happened
So a lot of time eugenics, people think that happened 

in Germany with Hitler and the Nazis, but actually
in Germany with Hitler and the Nazis, but actually 

was alive and well and started here in the United States.
was alive and well and started here in the United States. 

So eugenics is two things, it's actual movement of people
So eugenics is two things, it's actual movement of people 

organizing to make that happen, but it's also the idea that
organizing to make that happen, but it's also the idea that 

some people shouldn't reproduce so society can
some people shouldn't reproduce so society can 

get better, you know, social Darwinism.
get better, you know, social Darwinism. 

And it happened across fields and industries,
And it happened across fields and industries, 

so it happened with science,
so it happened with science, 

like there were so many fake science things that
like there were so many fake science things that 

certain people were scientifically inferior.
certain people were scientifically inferior. 

It happened in the media, it happened in entertainment and
It happened in the media, it happened in entertainment and 

education system, healthcare system, philanthropy, with
education system, healthcare system, philanthropy, with 

actually Planned Parenthood, that one of the early founders
actually Planned Parenthood, that one of the early founders 

was a big proponent of eugenics, Margaret Thaner.
was a big proponent of eugenics, Margaret Thaner. 

So it happened across all fields.
So it happened across all fields. 

And that's where we can see, A), wow, this is really scary
And that's where we can see, A), wow, this is really scary 

stuff that people could be organized in such a broad
stuff that people could be organized in such a broad 

broadway, and B), we need to do something to shift
broadway, and B), we<b> </b>need to do something to shift 

society's values, and talk about that.we all matter and
society's values, and talk about that.we all matter and 

we're all human and we all, being living, breathing things,
we're all human and we all, being living, breathing things, 

we deserve to be here.
we deserve to be here. 

Another example of intersectional oppression is choice activism, right?
Another example of intersectional oppression is choice activism, right? 

So we know that sometimes the disability community has a hard
So we know that sometimes the disability community has a hard 

time with the reproductive rights movement because they haven't
time with the reproductive rights movement because they haven't 

done a lot of work around the fact that when people are advocating for
done a lot of work around the fact that when people are advocating for 

choice, they don't also focus on people with disabilities right to
choice, they don't also focus on people with disabilities right to 

choose to keep their children, or the fact that when people
choose to keep their children, or the fact that when people 

are getting abortions, I don't know the percentage,
are getting abortions, I don't know the percentage, 

but a huge percent is actually people with disabilities being
but a huge percent is actually people with disabilities being 

aborted as fetuses.
aborted as fetuses. 

So there's ableism in that, too, right?
So there's ableism in that, too, right? 

I told you this would be heavy.
I told you this would be heavy. 

Everyone okay?
Everyone okay? 

Deep breath.
Deep breath. 

And then on the screen, there's a cat cuddling against
And then on the screen, there's a cat cuddling against 

a teddy bear saying, "I love snuggles."
a teddy bear saying, "I love snuggles." 

Okay.
Okay. 

So that was three ways of intersectional oppression,
So that was three ways of intersectional oppression, 

so now we're going to switch a little bit and now we're going
so now we're going to switch a little bit and now we're going 

to talk about examples of single-issue responses.
to talk about examples of single-issue responses. 

So I know again these are all like academic sounding words.
So I know again these are all like academic sounding words. 

Single issue response means a movement who is only
Single issue response means a movement who is only 

focusing on one issue.
focusing on one issue. 

So maybe that movement says, we're focused on gay marriage
So maybe that movement says, we're focused on gay marriage 

and that's all we do.
and that's all we do. 

Whatever.
Whatever. 

"You go work on something else."
"You go work on something else." 

Actually, maybe that's disability rights that says we're focused on
Actually, maybe that's disability rights that says we're focused on 

rights for disabled folks.
rights for disabled folks. 

And we do that in other movements.
And we do that in other movements. 

So that's a single-issue response, focusing on one issue and not
So that's a single-issue response, focusing on one issue and not 

necessarily coalition building.
necessarily coalition building. 

So one example of the single issue response is in the second wave of
So one example of the single issue response is in the second wave of 

the feminist movement, so by wave, we're talking about generations.
the feminist movement, so by wave, we're talking about generations. 

There was the first wave which focused on getting the right for
There was the first wave which focused on getting the right for 

women to vote, and then there was the second wave which was like the
women to vote, and then there was the second wave which was like the 

Gloria Steinam, '60s, '70s, women being able to access
Gloria Steinam, '60s, '70s, women being able to access 

the workplace and have equal pay.
the workplace and have equal pay. 

That's the second wave.
That's the second wave. 

So the second wave feminists focused
So the second wave feminists focused 

their efforts on the right to work.
their efforts on the right to work. 

But the movement did not seem relevant to
But the movement did not seem relevant to 

many women of color who did not have the
many women of color who did not have the 

luxury to stay home.
luxury to stay home. 

So the women weren't even facing that issue around
So the women weren't even facing that issue around 

needing the right to work.
needing the right to work. 

And, it turns out that, many of the women of color were
And, it turns out that, many of the women of color were 

taking care of white feminist's children for very low wages so
taking care of white feminist's children for very low wages so 

that the white feminists could have the right to work.
that the white feminists could have the right to work. 

So we know that that's not liberation, right?
So we know that that's not liberation, right? 

We can see that it is only benefiting, it's only
We can see that it is only benefiting, it's only 

focusing on one issue and only benefiting
focusing on one issue and only benefiting 

one group of people.
one group of people. 

So that's not liberation.
So that's not liberation. 

And then we can also name that of course women with
And then we can also name that of course women with 

disabilities were not able to access work, so it wasn't
disabilities were not able to access work, so it wasn't 

liberation for the disabled folks either.
liberation for the disabled folks either. 

Another example of a single issue response
Another example of a single issue response 

is oftentimes the disability community talks about how
is oftentimes the disability community talks about how 

people with disabilities are infantalized and not
people with disabilities are infantalized and not 

seen as sexual beings.
seen as sexual beings. 

So we might say we have the right to have relationships
So we might say we have the right to have relationships 

we are just as desirable, just as sexy, just as beautiful.
we are just as desirable, just as sexy, just as beautiful. 

And sometimes that message kind of falls flat because it
And sometimes that message kind of falls flat because it 

says all people with disabilities face that issue.
says all people with disabilities face that issue. 

When the reality is, that is not true.
When the reality is, that is not true. 

For a lot of people of color, especially with disabilities,
For a lot of people of color, especially with disabilities, 

they are hypersexualized by society instead of desexualized.
they are hypersexualized by society instead of desexualized. 

So again that message just kind of falls flat.
So again that message just kind of falls flat. 

But if we can name that ableism impacts how
But if we can name that ableism impacts how 

people see people with disabliities across
people see people with disabliities across 

relationships then we might be able to do more
relationships then we might be able to do more 

broader work.
broader work. 

Does that make sense?
Does that make sense? 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Since you asked if that made sense
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Since you asked if that made sense 

I guess I have to say that I would like to
I guess I have to say that I would like to 

understand more the difference between
understand more the difference between 

intersectionality and single issue advocacy.
intersectionality and single issue advocacy. 

I look at the eugenics example that you gave
I look at the eugenics example that you gave 

and I also, just sort of from questioning the
and I also, just sort of from questioning the 

very premise perspective.
very premise perspective. 

I don't think that eugenics is something in our past.
I don't think that eugenics is something in our past. 

I think we have, I know when I was pregnant,
I think we have, I know when I was pregnant, 

I was definitely encouraged more towards the abortion
I was definitely encouraged more towards the abortion 

realm of things which was definitely not something
realm of things which was definitely not something 

that I would have done even if my child had
that I would have done even if my child had 

had my disability, which is genetic.
had my disability, which is genetic. 

You know we have this assisted suicide bill
You know we have this assisted suicide bill 

So I guess I'm not getting, I feel like you are trying
So I guess I'm not getting, I feel like you are trying 

to teach us something really important about
to teach us something really important about 

the different ways to advocate, and I'm not
the different ways to advocate, and I'm not 

getting the difference between the single issue
getting the difference between the single issue 

and the intersectionality and I particularly don't
and the intersectionality and I particularly don't 

get how the eugenics example fit into that.
get how the eugenics example fit into that. 

STACEY MILBERN: thank you for naming that Jessie.
STACEY MILBERN: thank you for naming that Jessie. 

We don't want to miss that at all.
We don't want to miss that at all. 

And thank you we know that eugenics is alive and well.
And thank you we know that eugenics is alive and well. 

Definitely not a thing of the past.
Definitely not a thing of the past. 

I'm going to respond to unless you want you.
I'm going to respond to unless you want you. 

You want to?
You want to? 

DOLORES TEJADA: I have an example.
DOLORES TEJADA: I have an example. 

Specifically with the assisted suicide bill.
Specifically with the assisted suicide bill. 

So the difference between intersectional and single
So the difference between intersectional and single 

issue and I think we will talk more and give
issue and I think we will talk more and give 

more examples as well.
more examples as well. 

So the assisted suicide bill is a proposed bill here
So the assisted suicide bill is a proposed bill here 

in California and it is very much addressing the issue
in California and it is very much addressing the issue 

from folks who have terminal illness.
from folks who have terminal illness. 

So it's a single issue because it just seems
So it's a single issue because it just seems 

to be, that's dominating the conversation.
to be, that's dominating the conversation. 

Folks with terminal illness and what their choices are,
Folks with terminal illness and what their choices are, 

perceived choices are is definitely dominating
perceived choices are is definitely dominating 

the conversation.
the conversation. 

And an intersectional approach to that
And an intersectional approach to that 

discussion is a response to that bill.
discussion is a response to that bill. 

And that is the fact that there are people outside
And that is the fact that there are people outside 

of folks who have terminal illness who are often
of folks who have terminal illness who are often 

euthanized, given the option to have physician
euthanized, given the option to have physician 

assisted suicide.
assisted suicide. 

I can give a real life example.
I can give a real life example. 

I went up to Sacramento a couple of weeks ago
I went up to Sacramento a couple of weeks ago 

to testify in a hearing
to testify in a hearing 

regarding that bill and the majority of the side
regarding that bill and the majority of the side 

that was in support of the assisted suicide bill
that was in support of the assisted suicide bill 

and when I say majority, I mean probably a
and when I say majority, I mean probably a 

solid 100 people.
solid 100 people. 

There was one person who identified as having
There was one person who identified as having 

a disability who supported it and she was someone
a disability who supported it and she was someone 

who acquired a disability so her perception of
who acquired a disability so her perception of 

disability may be a little bit new or different.
disability may be a little bit new or different. 

Of those 100 people,
Of those 100 people, 

a lot of people in the room were older and were white.
a lot of people in the room were older and were white. 

That is to me identified the pro people who are
That is to me identified the pro people who are 

pro physician assisted suicide as people who
pro physician assisted suicide as people who 

would benefit from it are the folks who would have access
would benefit from it are the folks who would have access 

to appropriate health care who,
to appropriate health care who, 

and who have perhaps a different understanding of
and who have perhaps a different understanding of 

what disability is because it was just people, it was
what disability is because it was just people, it was 

mostly people who were white and older.
mostly people who were white and older. 

And so that to me shows that it is a single issue for
And so that to me shows that it is a single issue for 

them because it's only addressing their needs
them because it's only addressing their needs 

and it's not addressing or
and it's not addressing or 

even talking about the larger community need
even talking about the larger community need 

especially related to disability need and the complex history
especially related to disability need and the complex history 

that we have around that issue and how it
that we have around that issue and how it 

affects people who have access to health care.
affects people who have access to health care. 

The access to healthcare piece was even just an afterthought.
The access to healthcare piece was even just an afterthought. 

It was assumed that everyone has the same
It was assumed that everyone has the same 

access, has absolutely wonderful doctors and
access, has absolutely wonderful doctors and 

that's not the case.
that's not the case. 

STACEY MILBERN: cool.
STACEY MILBERN: cool. 

I think too just to say when we are talking intersectional,
I think too just to say when we are talking intersectional, 

this is where the disability justice piece comes in and
this is where the disability justice piece comes in and 

we are still trying to figure out what that means.
we are still trying to figure out what that means. 

Something you will hear a lot of disability justice
Something you will hear a lot of disability justice 

folks say is:
folks say is: 

It's not a movement.
It's not a movement. 

It's an idea.
It's an idea. 

It's a framework and we are still like trying
It's a framework and we are still like trying 

to build a movement.
to build a movement. 

That's not an excuse to avoid your question.
That's not an excuse to avoid your question. 

But another example that comes to mind might be
But another example that comes to mind might be 

disability justice work.
disability justice work. 

So a few years ago my friends and I were trying
So a few years ago my friends and I were trying 

to create a care collective.
to create a care collective. 

So we are all like living with all of us, there were
So we are all like living with all of us, there were 

about 10 of us all identified as LGBT, people of color
about 10 of us all identified as LGBT, people of color 

with disabilities and many people in the group did
with disabilities and many people in the group did 




not have insurance and because they were queer
not have insurance and because they were queer 

did not have family.
did not have family. 

We decided, hey, let's create this group.
We decided, hey, let's create this group. 

We were all going to meet each other's
We were all going to meet each other's 

access needs and that was helpful for people
access needs and that was helpful for people 

who could not rely on the state to get their needs met.
who could not rely on the state to get their needs met. 

And so that's an example of the intersectionality.
And so that's an example of the intersectionality. 

Because it was not like they just had a disabilities,
Because it was not like they just had a disabilities, 

they had all of those components.
they had all of those components. 

Does that make sense?
Does that make sense? 

Okay.
Okay. 

And then the single issue response is
And then the single issue response is 

where we see rights work.
where we see rights work. 

So a lot of times we are fighting for the right
So a lot of times we are fighting for the right 

to get married or the right to have the ADA, right.
to get married or the right to have the ADA, right. 

And that's all pretty single issue.
And that's all pretty single issue. 

So we are saying an alternative to a single
So we are saying an alternative to a single 

issue response is trying to think broader about
issue response is trying to think broader about 

what are all the ways that different things
what are all the ways that different things 

connect; is that kind of getting lost on people?
connect; is that kind of getting lost on people? 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: hi.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: hi. 

My name is Daniel.
My name is Daniel. 

I have an example and dilemna.
I have an example and dilemna. 

This comes to a core piece of what I'm
This comes to a core piece of what I'm 

questioning so I'm glad you are addressing it
questioning so I'm glad you are addressing it 

and I'm hoping this example can help me explain my quandry.
and I'm hoping this example can help me explain my quandry. 

This is only one piece of an example but I see this repeatedly.
This is only one piece of an example but I see this repeatedly. 

For example, as the disability community fought long and
For example, as the disability community fought long and 

hard to get lifts on buses.
hard to get lifts on buses. 

That is a single issue.
That is a single issue. 

We achieved and we accomplished this,
We achieved and we accomplished this, 

but by getting lifts on buses, the transportation issue as
but by getting lifts on buses, the transportation issue as 

a whole did not resolve because
a whole did not resolve because 

now there's less push for regions where there are
now there's less push for regions where there are 

not city buses and there are transportation
not city buses and there are transportation 

problems existing.
problems existing. 

And the fight goes on for transportation in those
And the fight goes on for transportation in those 

regions and they are not with support of disability
regions and they are not with support of disability 

communities in the urban areas.
communities in the urban areas. 

And so all of a sudden, not only are they still
And so all of a sudden, not only are they still 

having the same problem but they are also not getting
having the same problem but they are also not getting 

assistance from people in urban areas where a lot
assistance from people in urban areas where a lot 

of people with disabilities exist and they don't have
of people with disabilities exist and they don't have 

that strength that they had before when everyone was
that strength that they had before when everyone was 

pushing for transportation.
pushing for transportation. 

STACEY MILBERN: was there a question?
STACEY MILBERN: was there a question? 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: that is a question in the single issue
AUDIENCE MEMBER: that is a question in the single issue 

in a interpersonal
in a interpersonal 

because the interpersonal transportation issue was
because the interpersonal transportation issue was 

a whole, was that achievable
a whole, was that achievable 

goal of getting accessible lifts on busses a desirable
goal of getting accessible lifts on busses a desirable 

thing that we solved that?
thing that we solved that? 

Or did that weaken the movement of transportation
Or did that weaken the movement of transportation 

for disability as a whole.
for disability as a whole. 

STACEY MILBERN: okay, so great question.
STACEY MILBERN: okay, so great question. 

Let's think through that.
Let's think through that. 

We know that the system likes to say that if one group gets
We know that the system likes to say that if one group gets 

something, another group doesn't, and we can name
something, another group doesn't, and we can name 

that a lot of times that's a reason not
that a lot of times that's a reason not 

to provide somebody with something
to provide somebody with something 

and we can also know that lifts on busses are legally
and we can also know that lifts on busses are legally 

required under the ADA and then also needed.
required under the ADA and then also needed. 

That's one thing.
That's one thing. 

And then I think also too around how you do
And then I think also too around how you do 

the work is important and so if you are working with
the work is important and so if you are working with 

other nonprofit groups around transportation
other nonprofit groups around transportation 

and you are talking about where are the bus stops,
and you are talking about where are the bus stops, 

are they equitable in what communities they serve?
are they equitable in what communities they serve? 

What time of the service, quality of the service
What time of the service, quality of the service 

so that way it is not just focused on the disability
so that way it is not just focused on the disability 

piece but actually about broader, better transportation
piece but actually about broader, better transportation 

if that makes sense.
if that makes sense. 

Jessie, you made me think of another example.
Jessie, you made me think of another example. 

We are living in a time when there's a lot of activism
We are living in a time when there's a lot of activism 

around police harassment and violence.
around police harassment and violence. 

That's such an intersectional issue.
That's such an intersectional issue. 

We know tons of people who are violated by the
We know tons of people who are violated by the 

police have disabilities and then we also know
police have disabilities and then we also know 

significantly are people of color.
significantly are people of color. 

So that's an intersectional place that we could be
So that's an intersectional place that we could be 

doing some great disability justice work, right?
doing some great disability justice work, right? 

Does that make sense.
Does that make sense. 

If we were doing a campaign around people with disabilities
If we were doing a campaign around people with disabilities 

get harassed by the cops, like given this political climate,
get harassed by the cops, like given this political climate, 

I don't think it would get very far because it sounds
I don't think it would get very far because it sounds 

so limited.
so limited. 

But if we could really build relationships with
But if we could really build relationships with 

communities, especially people that are in leadership
communities, especially people that are in leadership 

around this issue, then we actually might
around this issue, then we actually might 

get somewhere; is that helpful?
get somewhere; is that helpful? 

Okay.
Okay. 

I think it's going to make sense more
I think it's going to make sense more 

over the next few days.
over the next few days. 

Yes, Chad.
Yes, Chad. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: what I've been hearing here is that
AUDIENCE MEMBER: what I've been hearing here is that 

essentially rights being a single issue struggle with,
essentially rights being a single issue struggle with, 

that means that it can be narrow.
that means that it can be narrow. 

And once a right is granted or recognized,
And once a right is granted or recognized, 

you can say, well, I got mine, screw you.
you can say, well, I got mine, screw you. 

Everybody else.
Everybody else. 

You are done.
You are done. 

I'm over.
I'm over. 

I get my right to wear a funny hat and I don't
I get my right to wear a funny hat and I don't 

care about everybody else being able to wear
care about everybody else being able to wear 

their hats whatever it happens to be.
their hats whatever it happens to be. 

But I think, what I am hearing here is that
But I think, what I am hearing here is that 

justice deals with intersectional issues
justice deals with intersectional issues 

and it's an ongoing process and a lot more
and it's an ongoing process and a lot more 

similarities because it cuts across, by virtue of
similarities because it cuts across, by virtue of 

the fact saying that this intersectionality
the fact saying that this intersectionality 

is interconnected.
is interconnected. 

That there is no I get mine and forget the rest of you.
That there is no I get mine and forget the rest of you. 

It's built into the concept of justice.
It's built into the concept of justice. 

Is that adequate beginning?
Is that adequate beginning? 

STACEY MILBERN: yes, thank you for that.
STACEY MILBERN: yes, thank you for that. 

One more example of a single issue response.
One more example of a single issue response. 

So we've done decades long work around the
So we've done decades long work around the 

segregation of students with disabilities that
segregation of students with disabilities that 

students with disabilities are forced into separate
students with disabilities are forced into separate 

classrooms as mainstream peers.
classrooms as mainstream peers. 

And it's only recently that people have been naming,
And it's only recently that people have been naming, 

wow, a lot of the people that, the students that are in the
wow, a lot of the people that, the students that are in the 

segregated classrooms are people of color,
segregated classrooms are people of color, 

specifically black students and maybe this isn't just about
specifically black students and maybe this isn't just about 

ableism but is also racism and maybe segregated
ableism but is also racism and maybe segregated 

classrooms are being used as a way to separate out
classrooms are being used as a way to separate out 

students of color by saying they have
students of color by saying they have 




behavior problems.
behavior problems. 

This example is such an intersection of race
This example is such an intersection of race 

and class, class because it involves parent advocacy,
and class, class because it involves parent advocacy, 

it take resources and then also disability because the
it take resources and then also disability because the 

students are getting labeled as having disabilities and
students are getting labeled as having disabilities and 

that's why they are getting segregated.
that's why they are getting segregated. 

Jessie?
Jessie? 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: I'm not meaning to suck up
AUDIENCE MEMBER: I'm not meaning to suck up 




the air, but I just have a question.
the air, but I just have a question. 

So I see how what you just brought forward with
So I see how what you just brought forward with 

a full integration, it would be a definitely intersectional
a full integration, it would be a definitely intersectional 

issue, but can you talk a little bit about
issue, but can you talk a little bit about 

Black Lives Matter and that movement and
Black Lives Matter and that movement and 

whether or not that is a
whether or not that is a 

single issue focus or an intersectional focus and
single issue focus or an intersectional focus and 

how we can talk about that.
how we can talk about that. 

STACEY MILBERN: cool.
STACEY MILBERN: cool. 

So as a nonblack person I don't feel I can speak to
So as a nonblack person I don't feel I can speak to 

that but I know that the leadership has been doing
that but I know that the leadership has been doing 

a lot around actually trying to learn about what
a lot around actually trying to learn about what 

disability justice is.
disability justice is. 

So they've reached out to organizations, we will talk
So they've reached out to organizations, we will talk 

about them later, but I'm really excited that Susan
about them later, but I'm really excited that Susan 

is going to be doing a long day training on
is going to be doing a long day training on 

disability justice for a Black Lives Matter chapter leaders.
disability justice for a Black Lives Matter chapter leaders. 

And like, how cool is that?
And like, how cool is that? 

So I think they've done a lot of work around
So I think they've done a lot of work around 

coalition building and involving multiplie
coalition building and involving multiplie 

marginalized folks and I have also been impressed at the
marginalized folks and I have also been impressed at the 

work they have been doing around people who are
work they have been doing around people who are 

gender nonconforming.
gender nonconforming. 

So I've seen a lot of media
So I've seen a lot of media 

around Black Lives Matter activists really supporting
around Black Lives Matter activists really supporting 

for example, trans brothers and sisters.
for example, trans brothers and sisters. 

And I think that is pretty remarkable and
And I think that is pretty remarkable and 

something we can learn from.
something we can learn from. 

Dolores, do you have anything you want to say?
Dolores, do you have anything you want to say? 

DOLORES TEJADA: yeah, also as a nonblack person
DOLORES TEJADA: yeah, also as a nonblack person 

I don't feel comfortable answering that question.
I don't feel comfortable answering that question. 

But I do know that historically
But I do know that historically 

Black Lives Matter was started by three queer
Black Lives Matter was started by three queer 

black women, so from its foundation it has
black women, so from its foundation it has 

been intersectional in that way.
been intersectional in that way. 

And that is worth honoring and noting.
And that is worth honoring and noting. 

STACEY MILBERN: I know, like how beautiful is that, right?
STACEY MILBERN: I know, like how beautiful is that, right? 

Yes, in the front.
Yes, in the front. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: My question revolves around
AUDIENCE MEMBER: My question revolves around 

what you were speaking about just a few moments ago
what you were speaking about just a few moments ago 

with children and the schools being revolved, or asked to be
with children and the schools being revolved, or asked to be 

segregated due to their exceptionality.
segregated due to their exceptionality. 

iyi.org which is a local organization that organizes
iyi.org which is a local organization that organizes 

community members in Indiana is putting on a
community members in Indiana is putting on a 

webinar, which is going to start looking at the
webinar, which is going to start looking at the 

student's ability to just access simple things
student's ability to just access simple things 

like food and healthier eating habits to try to,
like food and healthier eating habits to try to, 

and how they correlate to the ability of that
and how they correlate to the ability of that 

individual to study.
individual to study. 

So I think that there's multiple elements that
So I think that there's multiple elements that 

cause the, or that compound the problem.
cause the, or that compound the problem. 

Not just the fact of the person being a person of color.
Not just the fact of the person being a person of color. 

It could be a bio, a psychological or a
It could be a bio, a psychological or a 

social event comprised
social event comprised 

with poverty and access to food or different items.
with poverty and access to food or different items. 

STACEY MILBERN: definitely, there are oftentimes multiple
STACEY MILBERN: definitely, there are oftentimes multiple 

things at play.
things at play. 

Thank you.
Thank you. 

DOLORES TEJADA: another hand over there.
DOLORES TEJADA: another hand over there. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: hi.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: hi. 

It's John.
It's John. 

When we are talking about single issues in a
When we are talking about single issues in a 

lot of ways I hear, single focused group, versus the
lot of ways I hear, single focused group, versus the 

intersectionality and I recognize that ideally the more people
intersectionality and I recognize that ideally the more people 

we can get involved the more hands we have to lift.
we can get involved the more hands we have to lift. 

Because we are talking about really heavy issues.
Because we are talking about really heavy issues. 

We are talking about a lot of work to bring these things up.
We are talking about a lot of work to bring these things up. 

But I question, do you see value in given
But I question, do you see value in given 

issues being single issue because we, in there are cases
issues being single issue because we, in there are cases 

that you can get results faster.
that you can get results faster. 

When a parent is advocating for their child they don't want
When a parent is advocating for their child they don't want 

to wait five years for a study and for legislation.
to wait five years for a study and for legislation. 

They want the answer now.
They want the answer now. 

So where do you see value in single issue versus
So where do you see value in single issue versus 

intersectionality, is my question.
intersectionality, is my question. 

DOLORES TEJADA: we will cover that more when we
DOLORES TEJADA: we will cover that more when we 

talk about disability justice later.
talk about disability justice later. 

I do think that single issue politics has helped
I do think that single issue politics has helped 

in some capacity, for example, Stacey mentioned earlier
in some capacity, for example, Stacey mentioned earlier 

the disability rights movement.
the disability rights movement. 

You know with disability rights and the capacity to
You know with disability rights and the capacity to 

have litigation and all those things it has been able to build
have litigation and all those things it has been able to build 

the groundwork to moving this movement forward and
the groundwork to moving this movement forward and 

to help us when we are understanding the framing of
to help us when we are understanding the framing of 

disability justice which we will talk more about later.
disability justice which we will talk more about later. 

So it is worth acknowledging that.
So it is worth acknowledging that. 

But I think Intersectionality like you said and having, moving
But I think Intersectionality like you said and having, moving 

away from single issue politics will mean that we
away from single issue politics will mean that we 

are going to ultimately serve more people.
are going to ultimately serve more people. 

We are going to ultimately have a larger movement
We are going to ultimately have a larger movement 

and have liberation for more folks.
and have liberation for more folks. 

Historically, disability rights has been focused on benefiting,
Historically, disability rights has been focused on benefiting, 

or the history around just focusing on people who
or the history around just focusing on people who 

are male, who are white, who are wheelchair users.
are male, who are white, who are wheelchair users. 

While a lot of our history gets erased, especially the history
While a lot of our history gets erased, especially the history 

of people of color, people who are non-wheelchair users
of people of color, people who are non-wheelchair users 

and studying the ground work
and studying the ground work 

through the disability rights movement, we want to
through the disability rights movement, we want to 

recognize that a
recognize that a 

lot of that work was done by a lot of different folks,
lot of that work was done by a lot of different folks, 

but it's also worth talking about how the framework
but it's also worth talking about how the framework 

of disability justice is going to address more people's needs.
of disability justice is going to address more people's needs. 

Basically.
Basically. 

Okay.
Okay. 

Yes.
Yes. 

STACEY MILBERN: we will hold the questions for
STACEY MILBERN: we will hold the questions for 

now just cause we need to get through a little bit more.
now just cause we need to get through a little bit more. 

DOLORES TEJADA: feel free to write them on the
DOLORES TEJADA: feel free to write them on the 

post-it note in the center of the table if you want to and to keep it there.
post-it note in the center of the table if you want to and to keep it there. 

So we are going to give some more examples of
So we are going to give some more examples of 

intersectional responses.
intersectional responses. 

I'll talk about this more tomorrow, but within the
I'll talk about this more tomorrow, but within the 

disability community,
disability community, 

work that prioritizes leadership of young people
work that prioritizes leadership of young people 

of color is something that is an intersectional issue.
of color is something that is an intersectional issue. 

Because oftentimes young people in many movements
Because oftentimes young people in many movements 

and many communities are under-valued and that also
and many communities are under-valued and that also 




could include foster youth who experience a system
could include foster youth who experience a system 

of being in the foster care system.
of being in the foster care system. 

And, recognizing that this disability work
And, recognizing that this disability work 

builds a multi-movement leadership.
builds a multi-movement leadership. 

So working in collaboration with others, in coalition with
So working in collaboration with others, in coalition with 

others is one way to have an intersectional response
others is one way to have an intersectional response 

if you are addressing everyones needs or
if you are addressing everyones needs or 

just recognizing and analyzing just what is the ultimate goal.
just recognizing and analyzing just what is the ultimate goal. 

Another work, another example is, that Stacey also
Another work, another example is, that Stacey also 

mentioned earlier is LGBT
mentioned earlier is LGBT 

communities work in terms of disability access.
communities work in terms of disability access. 

So there's some really great work in the LGBT community
So there's some really great work in the LGBT community 

and oftentimes it is coming out of queer communities
and oftentimes it is coming out of queer communities 

of color, who are addressing and recognizing that people
of color, who are addressing and recognizing that people 

with disabilities make up a large contingent,
with disabilities make up a large contingent, 

a large group among LGBT people.
a large group among LGBT people. 

So, I can think of, for example,
So, I can think of, for example, 

we just had Oakland Pride here last week and SF Pride
we just had Oakland Pride here last week and SF Pride 

a couple of months ago and all those different
a couple of months ago and all those different 

spases are being built with disability folks in mind
spases are being built with disability folks in mind 

knowing that folks with disabilities will come
knowing that folks with disabilities will come 

out so there's accessible marching paths, there is spaces
out so there's accessible marching paths, there is spaces 

being created that are LGBT specific spaces where they
being created that are LGBT specific spaces where they 

are asking folks to be sent free.
are asking folks to be sent free. 

So these are all considerations
So these are all considerations 

around basically shared access and shared community
around basically shared access and shared community 

and how those spaces may be beneficial to
and how those spaces may be beneficial to 

certain folks but honoring and recognizing that certain
certain folks but honoring and recognizing that certain 

folks hold multiple identities.
folks hold multiple identities. 

And the last example that is up here is around
And the last example that is up here is around 

fat positive communities, inclusiveness of mobility devices.
fat positive communities, inclusiveness of mobility devices. 

A lot of people who are fat may not think that
A lot of people who are fat may not think that 

they are disabled or they don't identify disabled
they are disabled or they don't identify disabled 

and it is completely separate
and it is completely separate 

from disability for many folks.
from disability for many folks. 

But disability access allows for a lot of really great AT
But disability access allows for a lot of really great AT 

resources, there is a lot of AT devices that are targeted
resources, there is a lot of AT devices that are targeted 

for people with disabilities that could absolutely be
for people with disabilities that could absolutely be 

beneficial for people who are fat or people of size.
beneficial for people who are fat or people of size. 

One prime example was I was at a conference a
One prime example was I was at a conference a 

couple of weeks ago and
couple of weeks ago and 

something as simple or something that is
something as simple or something that is 




commonly used in the disability community
commonly used in the disability community 

is something like a shower bench.
is something like a shower bench. 

A shower bench is definitely something
A shower bench is definitely something 

that folks of size could use as well.
that folks of size could use as well. 

And while they may not use it because of a
And while they may not use it because of a 

disability, they are using it because of size.
disability, they are using it because of size. 

So it is just kind of recognizing
So it is just kind of recognizing 

how these different access points could serve
how these different access points could serve 

multiple different communities.
multiple different communities. 

STACEY MILBERN: I was really surprised that San Francisco
STACEY MILBERN: I was really surprised that San Francisco 

LGBT Center was boycotted the last few months because
LGBT Center was boycotted the last few months because 

they were really slow in installing an automatic door opener.
they were really slow in installing an automatic door opener. 

And so there were like all of these queer people that
And so there were like all of these queer people that 

were saying they were not going to go to any
were saying they were not going to go to any 

shows until that door installer is open.
shows until that door installer is open. 

And I was like, oh, that's an amazing example of
And I was like, oh, that's an amazing example of 

movement building.
movement building. 

DOLORES TEJADA: now we are going to go on
DOLORES TEJADA: now we are going to go on 

to group discussion as our activity before lunch.
to group discussion as our activity before lunch. 

We want folks to stay at their tables and have a
We want folks to stay at their tables and have a 

conversation with the folks around the table.
conversation with the folks around the table. 

And just to kind of debrief.
And just to kind of debrief. 

To pick a positive example of an intersectional
To pick a positive example of an intersectional 

approach to an issue.
approach to an issue. 

And pick or create one example that is an opportunity for growth.
And pick or create one example that is an opportunity for growth. 

And just again as a reminder that an intersectional response
And just again as a reminder that an intersectional response 

is different from a coalition response.
is different from a coalition response. 

While an intersectional approach could be in
While an intersectional approach could be in 

coalition with others, it looks different than
coalition with others, it looks different than 

actually being intersectional because it's addressing
actually being intersectional because it's addressing 

multiple needs.
multiple needs. 

STACEY MILBERN: so coalition, what we mean
STACEY MILBERN: so coalition, what we mean 

is maybe there's three people at a table and
is maybe there's three people at a table and 

each of them are working on a different single issue.
each of them are working on a different single issue. 

So I'm working on disability, Dolores is working on another
So I'm working on disability, Dolores is working on another 

thing and another person working on another thing.
thing and another person working on another thing. 

That's a coalition.
That's a coalition. 

We are not talking about that.
We are not talking about that. 

We are talking about an example where everybody would benefit.
We are talking about an example where everybody would benefit. 

Not necessarily like trading times that my community is
Not necessarily like trading times that my community is 

not going to benefit right now, but yours will.
not going to benefit right now, but yours will. 

Does that make sense the difference?
Does that make sense the difference? 

Building a movement that includes everybody
Building a movement that includes everybody 

versus a coalition.
versus a coalition. 

DOLORES TEJADA: all right.
DOLORES TEJADA: all right. 

So we would like you guys to start the conversation
So we would like you guys to start the conversation 

at your table and to think about the process.
at your table and to think about the process. 

STACEY MILBERN: one positive example of
STACEY MILBERN: one positive example of 

intersectionality and one examples where
intersectionality and one examples where 

intersectionality didn't
intersectionality didn't 

happen but you could really see where it would
happen but you could really see where it would 

have been good if it did.
have been good if it did. 

DOLORES TEJADA: are we ready to come back.
DOLORES TEJADA: are we ready to come back. 

If you can hear me, please face my direction.
If you can hear me, please face my direction. 

Face the front of the room.
Face the front of the room. 

Awesome.
Awesome. 

So we have a little bit of time left before lunch.
So we have a little bit of time left before lunch. 

If I can have your attention so we can get through this quickly.
If I can have your attention so we can get through this quickly. 

Great.
Great. 

Thank you.
Thank you. 

We are going to debrief.
We are going to debrief. 

I want to ask if anyone from your table want
I want to ask if anyone from your table want 

to share the example.
to share the example. 

Either of the examples.
Either of the examples. 

Single issue or intersectional issue.
Single issue or intersectional issue. 

Please feel free to say so, raise a hand.
Please feel free to say so, raise a hand. 

STACEY MILBERN: five minutes before lunch.
STACEY MILBERN: five minutes before lunch. 

So keep it brief.
So keep it brief. 

Any examples of intersectionality.
Any examples of intersectionality. 

AMINA DONNA KRUCK: yeah, so, there are several.
AMINA DONNA KRUCK: yeah, so, there are several. 

Of course the police violence is a really good example
Of course the police violence is a really good example 

of one.
of one. 

But also Daniel was talking about school and
But also Daniel was talking about school and 

segregated classrooms and it occurred to me that
segregated classrooms and it occurred to me that 

bullying is a great example of intersectional where
bullying is a great example of intersectional where 

people from all different constituencies experience
people from all different constituencies experience 

that and I have seen some neat school were
that and I have seen some neat school were 

responses that were intersectional responses
responses that were intersectional responses 

to address bullying.
to address bullying. 

And then the other one that I have seen happen in Arizona
And then the other one that I have seen happen in Arizona 

was the issue of accessible bathrooms and the city of
was the issue of accessible bathrooms and the city of 

Phoenix, we have been fighting for years for
Phoenix, we have been fighting for years for 




accessible bathrooms but not really putting
accessible bathrooms but not really putting 

together that that was also a need for
together that that was also a need for 

transgender people.
transgender people. 

When there was a city ordinance that came up
When there was a city ordinance that came up 

to, you know, to make discrimination against
to, you know, to make discrimination against 

people with disabilities and LGBTQ people to have that
people with disabilities and LGBTQ people to have that 

be on the books to be antidiscrimination
be on the books to be antidiscrimination 

there was a big auditorium and a
there was a big auditorium and a 

few people came to talk about disability.
few people came to talk about disability. 

It was like a slam dunk.
It was like a slam dunk. 

Lots of people came to talk about the transgender
Lots of people came to talk about the transgender 

issue and the bathroom was the big issue that came up.
issue and the bathroom was the big issue that came up. 

And that was a big wake-up call to the disability community.
And that was a big wake-up call to the disability community. 

And so it did pass in Phoenix.
And so it did pass in Phoenix. 

But then our legislature has some legislation
But then our legislature has some legislation 

that came up because they always feel they can
that came up because they always feel they can 

do better being prejudice than anybody else and the
do better being prejudice than anybody else and the 

response was so big, so fast because of how
response was so big, so fast because of how 

the issue got brought out in the open for the city of
the issue got brought out in the open for the city of 

Phoenix that they squashed it before it could go anwhere.
Phoenix that they squashed it before it could go anwhere. 

And they really worked together to do that ,
And they really worked together to do that , 

the disability community and the GLBT community.
the disability community and the GLBT community. 

STACEY MILBERN: do people know what we
STACEY MILBERN: do people know what we 

are talking about when we say bathroom?
are talking about when we say bathroom? 

So actually, bathrooms is like the perfect
So actually, bathrooms is like the perfect 

intersectional example.
intersectional example. 

Because we know people with disabilities oftentimes
Because we know people with disabilities oftentimes 

need a single stall bathroom so maybe the person
need a single stall bathroom so maybe the person 

assisting them is of another gender.
assisting them is of another gender. 

Or they need a single room so they have space.
Or they need a single room so they have space. 

And then we know a lot of times there can be violence in
And then we know a lot of times there can be violence in 

restrooms for trans people, transgender people.
restrooms for trans people, transgender people. 

So single stall bathrooms can also be very helpful
So single stall bathrooms can also be very helpful 

for trans folks and also for parents who maybe have children.
for trans folks and also for parents who maybe have children. 

So single stall bathrooms is like the
So single stall bathrooms is like the 

intersectional gold mine.
intersectional gold mine. 

Thank you.
Thank you. 

DOLORES TEJADA: a question.
DOLORES TEJADA: a question. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: we spoke about three issues
AUDIENCE MEMBER: we spoke about three issues 

that are intersectional for all three of us regarding
that are intersectional for all three of us regarding 

housing, transportation and health care.
housing, transportation and health care. 

We talked about how we work with coalition groups.
We talked about how we work with coalition groups. 

How in the past they've always focused on
How in the past they've always focused on 

single issues because of our respective organizations.
single issues because of our respective organizations. 

But recently, one example was increasing SSI payments,
But recently, one example was increasing SSI payments, 

state suplemental payments for beneficiaries.
state suplemental payments for beneficiaries. 

Now we are increasing our role and using some
Now we are increasing our role and using some 

statements of bringing people out of poverty
statements of bringing people out of poverty 

and using that as a central issue.
and using that as a central issue. 

Everyone experiencing poverty
Everyone experiencing poverty 

and all these barriers on their health care
and all these barriers on their health care 

transportation or housing.
transportation or housing. 

Those are things that we mentioned.
Those are things that we mentioned. 

DOLORES TEJADA: thank you.
DOLORES TEJADA: thank you. 

Great.
Great. 

Thank you.
Thank you. 

Right here.
Right here. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: we, is this on?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: we, is this on? 

Can you hear me?
Can you hear me? 

We all kind of think that we're slightly confused
We all kind of think that we're slightly confused 

on the exact definition, so one of the things we
on the exact definition, so one of the things we 

thought was a really good definition and we
thought was a really good definition and we 

hope are right about intersectionality and
hope are right about intersectionality and 

an issue would be the passage of the Americans
an issue would be the passage of the Americans 

with Disabilities Act where people with more
with Disabilities Act where people with more 

differences, primarily white people, and not always
differences, primarily white people, and not always 

looking at the needs of the poor came
looking at the needs of the poor came 

together to pass legislation.
together to pass legislation. 

Another example that came up in our group was
Another example that came up in our group was 

someone came across a Facebook posting for
someone came across a Facebook posting for 

Black Lives Matter, and the posting was not accessible,
Black Lives Matter, and the posting was not accessible, 

so it was just like picture text.
so it was just like picture text. 

And so just talking about, like, okay, so how do we
And so just talking about, like, okay, so how do we 

as white women go and say, hey, we want to support
as white women go and say, hey, we want to support 

what you're doing.
what you're doing. 

Are we allowed to support what you're doing as while
Are we allowed to support what you're doing as while 

women, and it's totally inaccessible.
women, and it's totally inaccessible. 

STACEY MILBERN: okay.
STACEY MILBERN: okay. 

Let's digest that after lunch because that would
Let's digest that after lunch because that would 

probably take us a little bit of time.
probably take us a little bit of time. 

Is that okay?
Is that okay? 

So we'll come back after lunch to talk about was
So we'll come back after lunch to talk about was 

the ADA intersectional and what's the best way
the ADA intersectional and what's the best way 

to respond when another community is not accessible?
to respond when another community is not accessible? 

DOLORES TEJADA: all right.
DOLORES TEJADA: all right. 

Kathryn?
Kathryn? 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: I just want to share that in my past
AUDIENCE MEMBER: I just want to share that in my past 

work I worked on Medicare and Medicaid policy,
work I worked on Medicare and Medicaid policy, 

especially language access policy, and in pushing
especially language access policy, and in pushing 

for language access really
for language access really 

trying to benefit especially low income communities
trying to benefit especially low income communities 

of color, and also sign language and international
of color, and also sign language and international 

sign languages.
sign languages. 

So those were some different intersections,
So those were some different intersections, 

and that was on behalf of seniors and individuals
and that was on behalf of seniors and individuals 

with disabilities because it was Medicare.
with disabilities because it was Medicare. 

STACEY MILBERN: that's great.
STACEY MILBERN: that's great. 

AUDIENCE MEMBER: This is Elizabeth Jones.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: This is Elizabeth Jones. 

I think one that we found for maybe an opportunity
I think one that we found for maybe an opportunity 

for growth is with all the fires that have been happening in
for growth is with all the fires that have been happening in 

California, the need for like evacuation routes that do
California, the need for like evacuation routes that do 

include everybody and not just those that are able to
include everybody and not just those that are able to 

very easily get up and find a way to an exit,
very easily get up and find a way to an exit, 

but in fact might have oxygen with them or
but in fact might have oxygen with them or 

might have like a power chair battery with them
might have like a power chair battery with them 

or things like that, and how in this fire
or things like that, and how in this fire 

is not the first time where people with
is not the first time where people with 

disabilities have perished or have passed away
disabilities have perished or have passed away 

because of kind of lack of planning or no
because of kind of lack of planning or no 

foresight in terms of bringing
foresight in terms of bringing 

communities together and having an
communities together and having an 

intersectional response to that problem.
intersectional response to that problem. 

DOLORES TEJADA: that's a great example of opportunity for growth.
DOLORES TEJADA: that's a great example of opportunity for growth. 

Yeah.
Yeah. 

And for those who aren't aware, there's really large
And for those who aren't aware, there's really large 

fires happening in California, and there has been, they've
fires happening in California, and there has been, they've 

been in northern California.
been in northern California. 

There's been large evacuations of folks, but the folks that are
There's been large evacuations of folks, but the folks that are 

getting left behind and the first person to have died
getting left behind and the first person to have died 

because of the fire was someone with a disability,
because of the fire was someone with a disability, 

and it was because she couldn't get out of bed.
and it was because she couldn't get out of bed. 

STACEY MILBERN: and she was a senior, too.
STACEY MILBERN: and she was a senior, too. 

DOLORES TEJADA: yeah.
DOLORES TEJADA: yeah. 

STACEY MILBERN: so again, looking at which neighborhoods
STACEY MILBERN: so again, looking at which neighborhoods 

and communities are the ones to receive the response
and communities are the ones to receive the response 

from first responders, that's a huge piece of it, too.
from first responders, that's a huge piece of it, too. 

Because there's some places where you call the
Because there's some places where you call the 

police for help and they don't come, and so that's
police for help and they don't come, and so that's 

a piece, too.
a piece, too. 

DOLORES TEJADA: all right.
DOLORES TEJADA: all right. 

Any other examples of opportunities for growth?
Any other examples of opportunities for growth? 


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